How do you know that semen is going up inside your body? Is it nothing but an opinion?
Hi Gumpi:
The tell-tale sign is the body-wide ecstatic connection. It is admittedly subjective, but those who experience it can “see” what is happening. This is one that the scientists will be able to measure, whenever they get around to it.
See here also, and other topics on vajroli in the tantra forum: http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4553
The guru is in you.
Gumpi,
I can’t speak for anyone but myself, but I can tell you that the last time I had an orgasm during sex, NO semen came out of my genitals. I had not had an orgasm for many weeks before this so it was not a case of not having sperm to release. This had never happened to me as drastically as this, (I had noticed a decrease in the amount of sperm released during orgasm, but not a complete lack of it.) and I have had my sperm count tested in recent years and know that I am pretty normal in that respect. I can’t say that this happens for everyone, and maybe it doesn’t, but I can tell you from personal experience now that it has at least started to happen to me, or so it seems. Hope this helps a little.
In Love,
CarsonZi
I started practicing tantra, how do i know that semen is going up? you ever go to the carnival and get the big hammer and smack the lever and watch the ball go up and ring the bell, for me it is just like that sometimes when I try to draw it up, just liks smacking a bell right behind my third eye point. is it semen, its something and that I know for sure. even though I just started tantra, in this incarnation, when i have accidently ejaculated the emmisions are different, last time it was a steady stream. why, dont know but I do feel my life is evolving, where to, dont know but much less suffering and more living in the moment.
about the visions being placebo, brother I go into meditation to calm the mind, not for visions. but this happened last sunday
http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4543
why, how, I dont know but I was very conscious when it happened. I did not expect it. My butthole has been vibrating going on 11 days now, I did not expect it to happen or placebo it, it just starts when it feels like it I guess. I have had a few other visions but the most amazing vision I have had is to look into anothers eyes and feel love for them. I am speaking of a love that I had not recognized in the first 32 years of my life.
why not do the tricks for money, well isnt chris angel doing it? If he is real still people dont believe it. also, when things open up the way we view life evolves, me and you trying to understand why “enlightened” people do not come out and put on a circus show, if we saw how they see, we might understand. Love is the goal and the siddhis are part of the package for some people and then to honor them is to use them in loving ways. Not proving people right or wrong. also doing the tricks may distract people from love
what is possible, living on light? remember brother gumpi, you exist and you cannot explain how. sure you can say big bang happened and then this and then that etc… but how was big bang possible, what existed before the first atom/god/or whatever name you use? something made this all possible, so if that power is in you to those who have the faith, amazing things are possible.
I can appreciate your bluntness and skepticism, I have had many similar questions and doubts. we are big boys and girls on here, we can handle it, it seems you have come to the right place.
as some say, “with god all things are possible”
we are love, we are light, we are joy, we are peace, we are possible
we are one
i am brother neil
Hi Yogani,
Why do you say that the whole-body ecstasy is proof of automatic vajroli? I always thought it was caused by the nadis being pure enough and wide enough to channel large amounts of prana after kundalini awakening. Could this not happen even before vajroli sets in?
Wouldn’t the release of amrita and ojas in the brain be a more sure sign of vajroli occuring?
Christi
Why do you say that the whole-body ecstasy is proof of automatic vajroli? I always thought it was caused by the nadis being pure enough and wide enough to channel large amounts of prana after kundalini awakening. Could this not happen even before vajroli sets in?
Wouldn’t the release of amrita and ojas in the brain be a more sure sign of vajroli occuring?
Christi
Hi Christi: The short answer is that the sexual essences are the prana in motion in the nervous system on the physical level. The ecstatic experience is a symptom of this flow. Because of that connection, I think it is safe to say that anyone experiencing whole body ecstasy also has natural vajroli occurring. And, yes, this is a function of the purification of the entire nervous system (nadis). It is really a question of how far we carry the neurobiology/prana relationship. Neurobiologically speaking, sexual essences are the source of ecstatic conductivity (kundalini), and the purification of the nervous system (corresponding nadis) by a full range of practices provides the opening for the process to move forward, yielding the spiritual experiences. I am not saying that this physical/spiritual connection is absolutely how it is, going all the way in, but there is strong evidence that the connection between the neurobiology and spiritual experiences goes pretty far. Soma, amrita and ojas can be seen to be subdivisions of this, going to very refined substances finding their origin in the neurobiology also, as we have discussed previously. And you are right -- the presence of these substances is also evidence of natural vajroli, as is whole body mudra and other indicators of ecstatic bliss permeating the body and beyond. Whether the neurobiology model of enlightenment turns out to be true in the long run is the question, isn't it? By taking this approach, many are given a handle on their experiences in terms of understanding the symptoms and underlying neurobiological changes that are clearly occurring. I have been asked literally hundreds of times in private, "Why is my spiritual ecstasy accompanied by sexual arousal?" The rise of natural vajroli is the reason. It is a component of kundalini awakening. Putting the neurobiology out in front also hangs a big carrot out there for modern science to grab on to. There are plenty of things here that can be measured, and sooner or later science will get around to it. As many more practitioners come on line having these experiences (inevitable now), and the general lay of the land of the enlightenment process becomes more familiar everywhere, a fertile new field for scientific research will emerge. Those who are more mystically inclined can ignore all the neurobiology and simply enjoy the ride, laughing all the way. :slight_smile: Either way, our bhakti and the maintenance of an effective daily practice routine will continue to be the engine for human spiritual transformation in individuals and the population at large. Onward! The guru is in you.
Hi Yogani,
It has been my observation that when the inner energy changes (openings or directions of flow etc.) that the physical body follows in time to match. It appears from my current perspective to have more power when it comes from this direction.
So the work we do, the sitting practices, the self-inquiry, seems to have greater impact than the physical efforts we make: asanas, the physical practice of vajiroli, diet, etc. These do impact the energy body but more like using a teaspoon to empty a barrel of water whereas inner energy changes internally punch giant holes in the barrel emptying it in a far more straight-forward manner.
Would you say this is an accurate perspective?
Hi Andrew:
Yes, I agree. But an avid hatha yogi may disagree. 
All roads lead home. An effective integration of all roads leads home even faster. 
The guru is in you.
Perhaps the whole “astral body” idea is false. Consciousness animates matter and prana comes from consciousness. Prana is the superfine energy akin to the ether. Who says that an energy body is necessary to mediate consciousness and matter? Perhaps it is more accurate to think that the entire universe as consciousness animates bodies with a universal “ether” prana.
The reason i say this is because it occured to me that people who have Out-Of-Body Experiences sometimes say they really were out of their physical body and others put it down to lucid dreams. Maybe what is actually missing here is that OBEs are only real in the sense of a psychic perceptive kind of thing. ESP. Almost like remote viewing but with a dissociative quality attached. Anyone who has had a psychic or spiritual experience attests to the fact that it seemed to be real and maybe even more real than actual reality seems normally. But it is all in the mind, and the mind is a doubting and belief structured machine. Which means that even when people have a psychic experience it is possible to doubt that it was real. I think exactly almost the same thing is true of experiences of the pure self, or pure consciousness, except that in this latter experience the reality is incredibly more real.
In the yogic scriptures there are 72,000 nadis. When these yogis wrote these things down they knew next to nothing about the biology of the human body except as what their intuition revealed to them. Isn’t it possible that perhaps their descriptions of the nadis is wrong? I mean, there are the nerves of the body that modern science has discovered and they are nowhere near as much as 72,000.
So what reason do we have to suppose that the nadis that don’t correspond to the physical nervous system and the accounts of astral projection have anything in common? There is no reason.
Likewise, past life regression and even internal experiences of past lives could be nothing but ESP. Perhaps children, whose minds are not developed much, are able to psychically “pick up” other lives? I see no reason to think this isn’t a valid theory. There are other reasons why i think this theory is a good one. Certain people are born seemingly with psychic abilities and others not. Could it have something to do with genetics, ie the brain? There is no need to adopt a reincarnation model if this is the case, nor to suppose that some people are born “spiritually evolved”. People who are considered to be spiritually evolved from a young age might turn into an avatar! I don’t believe in this. It gives people license to control others immorally.
And what about this - the idea that two living persons can be both said to be the reincarnation of only one soul (usually a famous one)? Isn’t it more sensible to think that they are either a) lying or b) experiencing the life of said “soul” by ESP?
I’m just throwing out some theories and ideas here. I am of the firm opinion that God or the pure consciousness lying behind and within all matter, is in control of everything and that humans have VERY LIMITED free will. This explains why some people seem to get “grace” and loads of spiritual experiences and other people don’t get any. There is, in some sense, a way of being receptive to this consciousness but that is all a person can do. “God” is pulling all the levers.
Another thing. It is a scientific fact that the brain waves originate from the medulla oblongata in the brain stem. Now, is it too much to say that perhaps matter is dead until consciousness with it’s prana animates it, through the medulla? In which case, what is the need for a pranic body? I am presenting a dualistic model here of consciousness on the one hand and matter on the other. I see no reason to think there is anything in between them, especially when Einstein proved that matter is equivalent to energy.
Gumpi,
I am short on time so please forgive the frankness and incompleteness of my reply, perhaps when I have more time I will elaborate.
On OBE, you may think that these are akin to ESP and for many cases it may be, I don’t know…but what I DO know from personal exerience and can be verified by my personal friends, is that on Ketamine, I had the ability to “see” things I could not possibly have seen or known about without leaving my bed.(where I used to trip on K) On days when I was using Ketamine as a sleep aid and not as a tool for self inquiry I would have about 30 minutes to kill after taking it before I would be able to sleep, this 30 minutes is usually tripping pretty hard. But in these times when I am taking the drug for reasons other then self exploration I needed something to do with this 30minutes during which I am incapacitated.(can’t walk, can’t talk etc.) This was when I discovered that I could do something akin to remote veiwing. I would leave my body (consiously) and travel to friends houses and “spy” on my friends so that I could freak them out the next day with info that I could not possibly have known. Sometimes I would forget my trips which is common, but sometimes I would retain the information and would relay this to my friends the next day. I actually LOST a few friends over this because they thought it was creepy, and indeed in retrospect it probably was. (not by intention though)
Saying this, I have never left my body without the aid of drugs. Not in that capacity anyways. I have left my body without drugs because of severe pain, but unless you are ready for that pain it is very difficult to work with an experience like that. Sorry this doesn’t address the rest of your posting, I will try to get back soon and elaborate more.
In Love,
CarsonZi
Hi Gumpi,
Maybe with their inner sight, they saw 72,000 nadis. Must have taken a while to count eh?
Or maybe with their highly developed superconscious minds they were able to count them all in a split second. 
I can’t imagine how consciousness could animate matter without an intervening (or several intervening: causal, astral and etheric) layer of energy. That would be like trying to pick up a bucket without a body.
Christi
Hi Yogani,
Thanks for that clarification. I’m happy to go with that. It will be very interesting to find out one day what really happens in the body at the biological/ neurological level. And what happens on other levels, if there are any other levels 
In the meantime, as far as we are concerned, I guess it is not so important.
Christi
Wow, that is amazing to hear, Christi! Congratulations! One day not too long ago I realized it is possible for one to live that way and I aspire to be able to do it as well. Very cool
Hi Ganesh
I’m not sure what I am being congradulated for here? But it is nice to be congradulated anyway. Thanks!
Christi
congratulations for such amazing ability?
Hi Ganesh,
If you are reffering to the amazing ability to be able to live on light, then I’m afraid that is one I don’t have. But some others do, and I am working on it, which is what this thread is about. It has diverged and meandered a wee bit over time, so I can understand the confusion.
The discussion I was having with Yogani 10 posts ago was about how sexual essences and sexual energy is involved in the development of whole body ecstasy, ecstatic radiance and ecstatic breathing, which are all part of the same process of transformation of the subtle nervous system.
Personally I believe that there is a connection between this process and a phenomenon which is occuring in the world now where some people are finding that they are able to live without food, taking nourishment directly from light in different ways.
As for me… I still enjoy two meals a day. And I am also enjoying living in ecsatsy.
Christi
Hi this summer I was in the Yosemite high country (9000 feet and above) and I was only eating fruits for a few days. My intuition tells me I can live on light if I stay in that environment long enough.
Pure Air, Sun, Clear Sky, high Attitude and none or minimal human contact which I believe are the kind of environment light eating masters have always been living. By the way, I follow mostly a raw living vegan diet(I eat cooked or processed vegan or vegetarian food occasionally) and and I believe fruits are the actually the only thing Nature has offered to human being but as long as I live in an urban or city setting it is unrealistic to eat just fruit (or light/breathian) so I just do the best I can for the raw vegan diet
hello Christi,
Nice Post…
Can I have a question for you?
here:
How much water do you usually drink regularly?
That’s all and wishing to read from you soon.
Hi lover,
About two litres a day.
Christi
Hi all,
Various changes are happening to my body these days. I am still eating two meals a day, but I am becoming increasingly sensitive to a wide range of foods. I am becoming very sensitive to sugar even in the form of slow sugars such as wheat and rice. If I have too little sugar, I become weak and ungrounded and if I have too much, I hyperventolate.
I am also experiencing very high levels of sebum production, which is an oil that is naturally produced in small amounts by the skin. The highest production seems to be around my spine. The sebum production seems to increase if I have any toxic foods such as caffine, refined wheat or refined sugar. My digestion is still slow -as it has been since my last kundalini awakening 4 years ago and I am still finding that I need to eat regular meals to avoid becoming ungrounded.
Christi