Honor Your Inner Rebel: Sex, Drugs & Lorin Roche

I’ve never heard of this guy before … but I already kinda like him!
Check out Lorin Roche’s web site:
http://www.lorinroche.com/page13/page13.html
(The link above takes you to an article on the Radiance Sutras, aka the Vijnanabhairava Tantra.)
Site overview for Lorin Roche:
http://www.lorinroche.com/page228/page228.html
(aka The Friendliest Meditation Teacher in America)
Among the categories on his site are:
Sex
Drugs
Rock n’ Roll
… and a fine example of the last category is this page, with a MUSTT listen video!
Not to mention some excellent advice on “honoring your inner rebel”, vis a vis spiritual/meditation practices.
:sunglasses:
http://www.lorinroche.com/page48/page48.html
(What typo?? :grin: )
Other categories include:
Bhakti Fest
Yoga Soup
Surfing
God
Yes … he is Californian … why do you ask??
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Enjoy, Dudes of All Genders!
Like, Totally!!
Kirtanman

I exchanged a few emails with him. I found him to be sort of snobbish. I don’t like his approach to the Vijnana Bhairava Tantra, which is one of the key texts I am interested in. He gave it too much of a New Age spin, to the extent of having “readings” like in poetry clubs or wherever. Kind of misses the point of the text IMO.

“Opinions vary.”
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Sharing any direct experience with someone can be useful for other to know about – but I think it’s also useful to note:
What one person interprets as snobbish – another may not even notice, or may not seem the same way.
Likewise, maybe some people could find value in group readings of the Vijnanabhairava.
I don’t know Lorin Roche at all; if I ever talk/email with him, I’ll be happy to share my experience, as well … though I’ll warn you all: it’s been quite sometime since I’ve had a negative impression of anyone; it just doesn’t seem to come up all that much, these days.
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Basically: I look at it like this – if someone is willing to create an extensive web site, with spiritual information that may potentially be useful to many – they warrant the benefit of the doubt.
And heck, who knows, anaitkes – maybe you caught the guy on a bad day; or maybe your standards of “snobbishness” are more stringent than most (I’m not saying they are; I’m just putting it out there as a possibility).
Why am I making a point of saying all this?
Primarily, because I see a lot of teachers maligned by a single statement or interaction, when it’s basically unwarranted – and in the interest of respect to all teachers // web site publishers // bloggers, etc. … it seems only reasonable to remind everyone reading that allowing yourself to form your own opinion, by checking out the information yourself … is always a good way to go.
With all genuine respect to anaitkes, I simply haven’t found negative opinions, especially opinions that are this subjective (again: what is snobbish? What’s wrong with group readings of the Vijnanabhairava? <- Which is a text that is of potentially high value to all – 112 techniques for allowing attention to rest in the true nature of what we each and all are, now.)
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Heart Is Where The AUM Is,
Kirtanman

Interesting page on women! I was apprehensive but it was good ‘food-for-thought’.

Thanx Kirtanman! Totally awesome link, dude. :sunglasses:
I also enjoyed your other link to Wayne Wirs. I sent him a message and he replied the day after with a lovely message! Cool.

“Opinions vary.”
:slight_smile:
Sharing any direct experience with someone can be useful for other to know about – but I think it’s also useful to note:
What one person interprets as snobbish – another may not even notice, or may not seem the same way.
Likewise, maybe some people could find value in group readings of the Vijnanabhairava.
I don’t know Lorin Roche at all; if I ever talk/email with him, I’ll be happy to share my experience, as well … though I’ll warn you all: it’s been quite sometime since I’ve had a negative impression of anyone; it just doesn’t seem to come up all that much, these days.
:slight_smile:
Basically: I look at it like this – if someone is willing to create an extensive web site, with spiritual information that may potentially be useful to many – they warrant the benefit of the doubt.
And heck, who knows, anaitkes – maybe you caught the guy on a bad day; or maybe your standards of “snobbishness” are more stringent than most (I’m not saying they are; I’m just putting it out there as a possibility).
Why am I making a point of saying all this?
Primarily, because I see a lot of teachers maligned by a single statement or interaction, when it’s basically unwarranted – and in the interest of respect to all teachers // web site publishers // bloggers, etc. … it seems only reasonable to remind everyone reading that allowing yourself to form your own opinion, by checking out the information yourself … is always a good way to go.
With all genuine respect to anaitkes, I simply haven’t found negative opinions, especially opinions that are this subjective (again: what is snobbish? What’s wrong with group readings of the Vijnanabhairava? <- Which is a text that is of potentially high value to all – 112 techniques for allowing attention to rest in the true nature of what we each and all are, now.)
:slight_smile:
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Heart Is Where The AUM Is,
Kirtanman


I myself think that "Bill and Ted" of "Bill and Ted's Excellent adventure 1&2" are as fine a teacher as you could find! Open hearts, open minds, compliment others, and little clinging to how life unfolds! LOL. "Be excellent to each other dudes!"

Wanted to post about this guy, seems Kirtanmann has beaten me to it. :grin:
Some time has passed though, here is the link that works now: http://www.lorinroche.com/.
He talkes, among other things, not to overdo with meditation: http://www.lorinroche.com/benefits/dangers/dangers/dilation.html,
and, to be careful in taking other peoples opinnions as ones own: http://www.lorinroche.com/benefits/dangers/dangers/vows.html.
But, much more is there as well, as well as his own experiences with meditation, and some of the ways people can help themselves make their practice their own.
Found it worth to read. Enjoy.

Hi Mykal, I also find Roche’s approach and site interesting. I like the way he considers that everyone is different, and how this matters in yoga and meditation. Also, he brings Yogani’s The-Guru-is-in-you to a whole new dimension by adding the rebel, so, yes, The-guru-and-the-rebel-are-in-you. :grin:

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very interesting another slice of what yoga can or cant be thankyou wiil read more bit by bit :heart:

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Hi Mykal,
Thank you for reviving this thread. I have been reading the radiance sutras for the past few days. I’m mesmerized. :heart:
The full length Radiance Sutra is in his website.
https://www.scienceandnonduality.com/the-radiance-sutras-part-iii/
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Hi Sunyata, thank you for posting that link – did not know that site and found the content quite interesting, including the article by tantrik traditions scholar Christopher Willis criticizing Roche’s approach to the ancient tantric writing.
I read Willis’s article yesterday. I can understand that, from his scholar’s point of view, Roche’s writing may be far from being a translation of the original tantric verses (actually, the fact that the book is NOT intended to be a translation is quite clear to the reader right from the beginning; at least it was very clear to me).
Of course, I would really LOVE to be a scholar who understands the real meaning of the mysterius and elliptical sutras and verses from the ancient yoga writings we all enjoy. But for an average Westerner like me it’s simply not possible to achieve such level of knowledge.
So it’s very important that authors like Roche, Yogani and others have the balls to do the hard work for us average people and write handbooks about yoga practices in a language that we Westerners of today can understand. If we did not have such authors, yoga would still be something for the fews.
Yes, I am an average Westerner and I probably do yoga practices that someone would not even call „yoga“, and, yes, I don’t know much about all the yogic traditions and the culture of those ancient times in the East. Still, I feel the urge and the pleasure to do those practices, and beautyful things keep happening in my life.

Thanks Sunyata :slight_smile: .
Didn’t know that there are 32 sutras on that site :sunglasses: .

Beautiful Sunyata, thank you. :heart:
One of my beloved bhakti fueling books is the translations of Vijnana Bhairava Tantra of Osho. It’s a book of 1500 pages, heavy reading :grin: :grin:

Hi Ecdyonurus,
Glad you liked it. The knowingness does not differentiate between a Westerner and Easterner. The bliss of the infinte is timeless and rapturous.
One embrace melts the questioning mind. And yes Yogani is Legendary! :sunglasses: :heart:

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Hi Charliedog,
I have read few pages of that book online. That is indeed heavy! :grin:
I’m getting a pull to buy books on Kashmir Shaivism/ Tantra.
Daniel Odier- Tantric Quest: An Encounter with Absolute Love
It’s about his journey to the East in the 60s and meeting a female tantric master. Just reading that felt radical!

Now you got me curious! :stuck_out_tongue:

Yeah. I am 3/4 of the way through that book and I have been reading (on and off) for the past 3 years :grin: :grin: :grin:
The other book of this size which I, however, devoured in 3 days was The Lord of the Rings.
Sey :pray:

I meant literally heavy Sunyata :grin: I have the printed version of Osho…it was some years ago before finding AYP. I became interested in Advaita, but I didn’t find that what I was looking for in books of for instance Nisargadatta. Then I found Osho, his teachings gave me insight in my feelings. One other very beautiful tantra book of Osho is ‘Song of Mahamudra’ one of my favorites.
If you feel a pull to Kasmir Shavism check you tube on Igor Kufayev. He teaches pure love (my opinion) also he explains very clear the Samadhi stages. :heart: :pray:
Anyway, I love to read and to resonate with teachers, but I have to say that Yogani’s teachings filled the gaps I had. [OM] :heart: :pray: