Hello I am new to the forums and have found this to be an interesting thread thank you for sharing riju.
riju please forgive me but this thread has become very complex following all the communications back and forth but there is an underlying theme here that is being perceived and I would like to ask of you something.
It occurs to me that everything came from a source weather all were a part of that source or not and all are one I do not believe all connected is a different matter furthermore the whole movement of returning to that source seems somewhat pointless. There is no need to separate only to combine, pointless.
I have heard it said in the beginning there was God and God was one and had the desire to become many and so did so. This comes from Swamis with knowing smiles well rehearsed likely in the mirror and when questioned unabashedly hold onto their point of view while at the same time honestly answering that they do not know why.
This is nice to hear but does not explain the why or to what purpose.
To become many only to become one again. To spring from nothingness to return to nothingness and to honor that as the highest achievement, well something is incorrect with this reasoning.
Achieving bliss via Pranayama Practices and unspeakably profound states of stillness, becoming one with the indescribable even rendering the heart without a beat and the awareness of a body is not a difficult achievement.
Samadhi states are not the end all and be all either having experienced them it is simply a way of being aware while identified with yet another body in a place and a time that language does not do a very good job of translating.
It occurs to me you are attempting to put a purpose to the process and share your deep inner knowings very commendable and brave.
Is it possible to bring your knowing of the big picture together and summarize? if so would you mind doing so. Thank you that is my question.
Thanks Jeff,
For selecting words of Buddha which support my writings. And I do feel happy when I see you expressing your understanding. Such responses are rare.
Jeff dear,
You do have been looking inside. Your letter is EXTRAORDINARY.
Summery of our agreement is very clear, and you have put it in your different
beautiful words.
(DISAGREEMENT WITH JEFF DISCUSSED)
Jeff let us go deeper “INSIDE”.
The first parting was EGO creating female cosmic energy out of ITSELF and Ego
being termed male cosmic energy.
This parting required a force coming out of this EGO in the form of LIGHT.
Counter part of LIGHT in the female was emotion of LOVE.
Light created formations of stars, suns and galaxis and its counterparat Love
prevades everywhere as uniting force.
Love emotions got complicated due to mixing in of ,hate, fear,attachment etc.
Light the counter part also got complicated in the form of various elements like
gold, silver, coal etc.
RESULT
Guatam Buddha produced the science of VIPASSANA on this above findings.
Awareness in meditation clears the emotions. Counter result of these emotions
getting clarified is the change of LIGHT (electrons) in physical part of our body.
And physical change produces sensations.
VIPASSANA IS WATCHING WITH AWARENESS BOTH MIND AND BODYV
SENSATIONS .
This is the fastest method of attaining ARAHAT ship or NOSELF experience.
(AGREEMENT WITH JEFF ON THE SAME PARA IN A DIFFERENT WAY)
Jeff there is a chapter no 11 named TREASURE TOWER in a book Lotus sutra
translated by BURTON WATSON.
Here Guatam buddha mentions LIGHT (counter part of LOVE) has created
another type of Buddha (Named treaure tower Buddha) in previous evolutionary
cycles.
Together Guatam Buddha as well as Treasure tower Buddha are now working on
our existence due to opening of Lotus sutra.
My inner voice tells me that this computer technology is the second name of this
Treasure tower Buddha which is flowering out day by day.
And if this is do you are right in your disagreement.
Experentiaknowing,
Good that you are interested.
Summery of this thread is…
All came down from one to many in chaotic and disorderly state.
Inter action of many was the CAUSE and EFFECT came automatically due to TIME (kal).
This churning of cause and effect created WISDOMS (BUDDHAS).
Buddhas out of WISDOM first made a permanent base against the force of TIME (KAL) and were successful.
Now these Buddha are strengthening this base as well as bringing out orderliness in this existence.
The present world that we see is not fully orderly. There is sufferings, death, old age etc. The Buddhas have successfully brought order in top layers of evolution. And now they are working on our planes.
All of us can become Buddhas. This science is exposed in Lotus sutra. We can take a constructive part in this evolution. We can simultaneously achieve, prosperity, happiness, health and peace.
This can be done by moving upwards towards ONE (source of power) and also keeping MANY (source of knowledge).
I would be happy to answer any of your specific questions even if I have to repeat myself, please do not hesitate. Thanks
Nice summary. I would use different words but what you are saying is essentially how I see things too.
Love,
Carson 
P.S. Never read the Lotus Sutra. 
Yes, I know that. It’s been clear since the onset of your thread that you feel that your spiritual path is wholly different from the Yogic one and more so, is superior to just about every other approach humanity has discovered. That’s cool, to each their own. 
I’ve admittedly, a propensity to see the similarities and the parallels between all spiritual paths and accept some variances between their own unique doctrines and cosmologies, as the natural outcome of cultural biases and personal spiritual preferences.
Fascinating. Perhaps what you choose to perceive as “the Buddhas” is in essence, “divine power”? In the overall content of your description of Buddhas and Bodhisattvas, as being the source of your inspiration or aspiration… there is little difference from those speaking of Angels, Saints, Avatars, Tirthankaras, Gods or Goddesses. The names are semantically different but the light and compassion are symbiotic of one another, regardless of the definitive labels we each employ in our particular linguistics and cherished philosophies.
It’s really all how we individually choose to shape these exalted spiritual energies into cohesive human conceptions. Only in the mind of the individual perceiver, is there any differentiation betwixt this or that, in specificity of meaning.
Yes, the ego is the outer husk of the kernel within, the self which observes existence as it endlessly transforms for one moment to another, from one seemingly finite form and circumstance to another.
And I agree with you, as ego is needed to enter into the dynamic expression of material human existence. Without an ego… who would be having this heady discussion at all? No one on the Yogic path wants to become spiritually catatonic or an automaton. We are also earnestly consciously refining and transforming the ego we embody, to better serve our own spiritual growth and humanity at large…
It’s just that it’s so very important to realize that the ego is a transitory tool. It is wholly impermanent, like all passing forms. Far more impermanent that the Atma (or Soul). And if we are all truly and ultimately Anatma, as I suspect we all are in our innermost cores, our entire dreamscape is a passing wisp of smoke in the lazy breeze.
I know you view things differently and I accept and respect your vision, without feeling a need to counter your vantage point with my own. It is most equanimous to accept that each sentient being has some truth to their views. I feel that all perspectives have intrinsic value and are subjectively relative to the mind of the entity which perceives them, as a cohesive, functioning reality.
Yes, you are probably right about this point. I am not in favor of sectarian struggles or religious debates over who has the one and only, secret key to unlock all of the mysteries of heaven and earth. I prefer to agree and find some significant common ground, than disagree and find major differences.
I can only believe what I have experienced directly, as can anyone. And even then, I always take what I experience “with a grain of salt”, as my own dreamscape playing itself out before my subjectivity. Not as in an unconscious mirage I witness, churned out of my imagination and wrongly mistaken for reality. Rather, I see the impressions these ideas and visions have on my mortal mind as partial truths, parts of something far beyond my grasp or the scope of words.
That being said, I have spent a number of decades practicing the art of deep meditation and believe that regardless of how we as individuals color and ornament the higher states we encounter… they are wholly universal in principle. Furthermore, for myself, only through stilling the ego’s habitual pattern of attention, can true spiritual attunement genuinely begin. It’s the journey of a lifetime (or multiple lifetimes)! As you wisely state, as an analogy, it’s a lot like training a horse, dog or donkey.
My opinion and comments? I’d be honored to answer your questions. Mind you, I do not draw my beliefs from any particular lineage or system. Although I honestly lean strongly towards Advaita Vedanta. But I fancy myself as a free soul, one who decides for himself what is true and what is illusory, relative to my own direct experiences. Anything else would be to conceptual to take as an ultimate truth.
Okay, I honestly believe that nothing exists but Supreme God. Sadhakas are not returning to it… we ARE it! The One is never apart from the phenomenal world. All is composed of this ineffable, insubstantial quintessence. I personally believe Samadhi or Satori shifts our attention to the degree that we perceive this Divine energy within all that appears to exist and this strongly implies it has always existed symbiotically within all of it’s expressions. It is masquerading as this and that… but it is always present. [OM]
So, I feel that it’s not really even an evolution or a linear journey, it’s just a profound acknowledgement of what is already here already. What is truly at the heart of this existential paradigm, pulsing enigmatically within this present moment. I don’t conceptually separate The Supreme from it’s own creation or even from myself.
I see clearly, by the Grace of God and Gurudev, that Sacred is the all-in-all, immanent within all things, even in the emptiness of the Void. From my view, saying God created the universe is simply mortal mind exercising it’s humanoid reasoning capacity, projecting human paradigms and ideas upon the immensity of that which is Sacred.
The God I experience as vitally immanent and wholly present within all things, is not limited to the time-space-continuum nor bound to any particular form. So, the appearance of beginnings and endings are occurring within the mind of the observer, alone.
One need but shift one’s focus to an alternate frequency of conscious-awareness, to perceive other equally valid levels and degrees of existential being. You know, even modern science is in agreement here. Within the seeming solidity of materiality, is an interplay of subatomic particles which have tremendous amounts of empty space between them. All is not as it appears.
So, the solidity and concrete reality of what the 5 senses tell us, is wholly illusory from another angle. Just about everything perceivable is only real, relative to the frequency of perception observing it’s play. So, in a nutshell… on some levels I kinda do believe that God has everything to do with the immeasurable intelligence inerrant within this universe we collectively inhabit, for God perpetually creates the Omniverse at at large, with brilliant precision and sheer perfection. The is much art and magic throughout it’s Divine expression. It is upheld by laws of harmony and balance. This is truly miraculous and might be addressed as universal evolution (or God being Godself).
Just as a flower initially sprouts from a seed and grows until it blooms beatifically and then, withers to dust… it is we who conceptualize an evolutionary sequence of events. The force flows through the form and draws it back into a state of insubstanciality.
As God manifests as a series of incarnated Avatars, Buddhas, Christs or Tirthankaras… I see more symmetry than asymmetry between the teachings they convey. Besides, actions speak louder than words and compassion is central to any of these enlightened beings. 
Perhaps he did… I cannot much comment on this statement, as the analogy sounds so judgmental to my sensibilities and seems to be an altogether different attitude than compassion. If you mean that he saw that many Arhats were having states of conscious-awareness bound by higher and far subtler dreamscapes, but still not being liberated, I could understand your meaning. Only the fully awakened ones are incarnated embodiments of the kernel within the chaff.
From my viewpoint, the universe is cyclical. I’d add that IMO, God is the creator of the Buddhas themselves. That the Buddhas are naught but That. You and I and all the readers of these words are naught but That. Whether Brahman manifests as Krishna, Buddha, Mahavira or Christ… God is still the doer and all of the acts done. The Alpha and the Omega.
No doubt it appears so from your vantage point. That’s cool, “different strokes for different folks”. But I clearly see that the Supreme Being/Brahman/Tao/YHWH/Allah has no beginning or ending. God has always been and always will be… what we all are interconnectedly, in our truest essence. We aren’t just parts of the whole, we are the whole itself, channeling itself into our myriad forms and the kaleidoscopic patterns of our transitory experiences. The journey to enlightenment is a drama enacted by God, brought to life through the myriad forms it spontaneously manifests. Yet, until we realize this for ourselves, it merely another set of ideas and on some level, still conceptual gymnastics.
Well, I actually have been exposed to them by a good friend of mine living in Hong Kong. There aren’t really any secrets in my statement. Being “exposed to”, reading from or being inspired by, are not necessarily conforming word-for-word or speaking in their specific semantics and cosmological ideologies.
I have also been exposed to the Tao Te Ching, the Bhagavad Gita, the Zend Avesta, the Holy Bible, the Kabbalah, the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali, the Koran and the lovely poetry of Rumi and Hafiz (as well as many, many other scriptures).
And admittedly, I am most assuredly not a theologian or an in depth scholar of any of these Holy scriptures. I absorb something beautiful from each of them and integrate what resonates the most into my own personal understanding. I choose not to limit my devotion to one lineage at the exclusion of the others. To each their own.
Me too, or so it might appear on the surface of things. I believe we are both, equally unified aspects of the indivisibility of the Spirit, pure reflections of the indwelling Light.
Be well, shine brightly and enjoy this eternal moment. 
Thank you for your patience, I went back and reread much of what was already written a second time and will do so a third and fourth time as well before asking any more questions as it is not proper to put one wiling to explain through the burden of repeating themselves. It may still happen but it will not be on purpose or due to a lack of effort on my part.
Thank you for the summary, the description of the Arhat rings true. The description of having to descend once achieved reminds me greatly of the story written by Hermann Hesse of a man named Siddhartha who became Gautama Buddha. More here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siddhartha_(novel)
Does anyone have any good links for the Lotus Sutra and the Lankavatara Sutra?
From what I have read already it appears the Buddhist have spent a great deal of time coming to understand the providences of the Astral realm the operations of it and those entities that govern the function of it, as well as mapping it out.
From my understanding the Astral realm is the finest manifestation of the physical realm, in the grosser or lower frequency layers it would appear that the Buddhists have conceived of a method of traversing said realms into higher and higher frequencies which as they become more refined are further removed from the material realm becoming something else altogether.
This is however not to say that this is not how things work, I am still working on understanding this way of thought, many thanks for the help.
Hi Experientialknowing,
Here is a link for the Lankavatara Sutra. Many others can be found online.
http://www.purifymind.com/LankavataraSutra.htm
The Lankavatara is very good, but reads like a detailed techical manual and sort of builds up explaining from the perspective of the person. I have only started reading the Lotus Sutra, but it seems to start more from an overall perspective of “existence”.
Regards,
Jeff
Thank you Jeff. Has anyone read this version I found on Amazon it seems to be praised for it’s clarity and lack of the prerequisite of first being a Buddhist Scholar to understand what is being written.
http://www.amazon.com/kindle/dp/B003XF1LLG/ref=rdr_kindle_ext_eos_detail
I also looked up the term Arhat and found I agree with the O.P. and the early Buddhist meaning of the word as those deemed Arhat are imperfect, subject to relapse and Ignorance.
Achieving the state of Arhat seems not only to be natural but not overly difficult by this definition of the early Buddhist schools and very likely is the state Yoga terminates in.
" SENSATIONS .
This is the fastest method of attaining ARAHAT ship or NOSELF experience."
The Yoga of Sensation known as Kriya is just such a vehicle to arrive at or close to this term Arhat. Or so it appears from my experience.
From this it is being perceived that Yoga takes a person to the Arhat stage but there evidently is yet more to do in a specific way.
It appears that the ancients that discovered yoga discovered a method of cheating their way forward with out the necessity of enduring experience and the wisdom that comes from it but just like all cheating it results in a hollow victory so there are still many blanks to fill in. Still much ignorance to be dispelled.
Still it appears to me that Yoga with its many pitfalls side distractions etc… written of so often the minor and the major siddhas that are its companions are not without benefit though as one can approach Arhat stage in a more free less pain oriented manner and if wise enough be the first kind of horse with a nicer path to Buddahood.
It has always seemed to me Yoga was good but did not quite finish the process and that somehow Gautama had made it past the end of Yoga. This thread started by the O.P. certainly is supporting this supposition.
Hi Riju,
Thanks for your kind words. I am also enjoying the discussion and will focus on your disagreement to be discussed section.
While I agree that the female component of the split could be defined as “love”, I believe that it is a misleading translation with many connotations attached to the word. As one goes deep into consciousness (beyond normal human levels), one realizes that it is more like “pure desire” or compassion. The love of a mother comes close (not romantic love), but it is more like the pure desire of a flower to grow in the sun. The flower is not attached to anything, existence just wants it to grow and evolve. Emotions like fear and hate come into being because the human mind begins to start to attach that pure desire to things. From these attachments start the slippery slope which creates all of the issues.
I would agree with you that “sensations” or noticing the energy body is the fastest way to Arahat level. While doing this, one is focused in the moment and less susceptible to confusion in the mind caused memories from the past or projections into the future. I call it “full body listening” where one may silence the many threads/voices going on in the local mind, and begin to notice what is beyond it. This approach is common to all primordial paths, which is why I had mentioned the other traditions earlier. Does the Lotus Sutra define specific practices? I would be interested in comparing them to other traditions I am familiar with.
I would also be interested in your thoughts on the Treasure tower section of the Lotus Sutra. I will read the chapter so that I will be prepared for the discussion.
Best regards,
Jeff
Hi Riju,
I had a chance to read the 12th chapter in the Lotus Sutra. I know your Treasure Tower Buddha well, in the gnostic Christian tradition, it goes by the name “Holy Spirit”. As the Sutra chapter defines the Buddha, it manifests “inside” the Buddha field (or stable bubble of universal mind).
Best regards,
Jeff
Please expand it for me. Write as much on this subject as much as you can. The role of women in this Universe is a subject on which we differ. The difference may get calarified with this expansion.
Thanks
COMPASSION
- Emptiness generates compasion
- Increases INFLOWS
- Operates beyond SENSES
- Part of 99 % hidden universe
- Increases GROWTH of sentient vehicle
- Completes INTEGRATION
- Food for Buddhas/Bhoddisattvas
- Effect invisible to senses
- Food for Riju
LOVE
1.Ego generates love
2.Increases OUTFLOWS - Operates within SENSES
4.Part of 1% visible universe
5.Reduces size of sentient vehicle
6.Does not intergrate at all
7.Food for Gods/siddhi saints and yogis
8.Effect visible to senses
9.Food for Govinda
In the range of OUTFLOWS
1)Love effect in sex act ends after the act
2)Love effect at heart level expressed by touch, embrace etc lasts for a few hours.
3)Love effect at eye level lasts for a few days.
4)Love effect at Anjana eye (Krishna level) level lasts for a few months.
Neither INFLOWS nor OUTFLOWS
5)Love effect at crown level (BLISS) lasts for one birth (arahat)
In the range of INFLOWS
- Love now named Compassion operating without Ego and Universal in nature,
without choice last for EVER.
NO OUTFLOWS is a very important word in Lotus sutra.
Compassion stops OUTFLOWS, Love cannot.
Devotees of Gods of compassion can clear away their karmas of sufferings which cause diseases.
Gods of compassion are invisible but they have the power to take away karmas of sufferings and protect from diseases. But here devotees are also invisible.
Devotees of Gods of Love have the power to give you bliss but they can not take away your sufferings due to diseases.
Gods of Love are visibly effective due to siddhis and powers that a devotee gets. In this way the devotee enjoys popularity among others.
Wow Riju, thank you so much for this sharing of wisdom. What you have written concerning inflow and outflows love and compassion is amazing in it simplicity and truth.
I thank you, what you have written has allowed me to make a step foreward in understanding in an instant.
Riju would you be so kind as to describe what Vippassana is and how it is correctly practiced? Yes I know there are many sources to read this from on the web, but it is your insight that makes a difference.
- Shortest method is for extreme BRAVEHEARTS. (I followed that)
2.Normal method is 8- fold nobel path suggested in hinayana/therwada along with VEPASSANA meditation of Goenka.
Please expand it for me. Write as much on this subject as much as you can. The role of women in this Universe is a subject on which we differ. The difference may get calarified with this expansion.
Thanks
Hi Riju, I would be happy to expand, but I think it is important that we first share understanding on the progression of becoming a Buddha and also the nature and realization of "emptiness". Please take a look at an old thread of mine and see if you have any disagreement with me on the stages and normal progression... http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12477 Also, regarding the nature of emptiness, while no descriptions in words can be accurate, i have found the best description is found in the Heart Sutra, simply... Form = Void and Void = Form Are you familiar with it and do you know what it means? Finally, are you familiar with Buddhist "Completion stage" practices? Thanks for the discussion. Regards, Jeff (edit - formatting)
- Shortest method is for extreme BRAVEHEARTS. (I followed that)
2.Normal method is 8- fold nobel path suggested in hinayana/therwada along with VEPASSANA meditation of Goenka.
Riju please do explain this shortest method you followed. Thank you.
On 30 june 1992, I reported at Igatpuri (india) in a centre where Goenka’s vipassana was being taught. It was 10 day course.
That night I had a half awake/half dream in which I saw my whole astral body. It looked exactly like stars and galaxis in the sky.
Then a voice spoke to me.
1. The astral universe that I was seeing is made of my karmas.
2. I have to do concentration and then empty this whole universe of karmas
by the method of Awareness of sensations.
3. On the last day when Metta was being taught, the teacher on the mike was telling the very importance of Metta meditation and dangers we will face if we do not do metta properly. My inner voice told me “that do not do Metta. It is not for you.”
Since that day I did not do metta.
4. Also the teacher told us to do only maximum one hour morning and one hour evening vipassana in the house after leaving the centre and definately not more than 2 hours a day, which should include 10 mts each time for metta meditation.
My inner voice told me to forget what the teacher says. I was told to do only Vipassana and not for two hours but maximum to my capacity till my astral body is EMPTY.
I obeyed inner voice. I sat for average 12 or more hours every day continuously for two years. I kept an approximate record of the extent of my astral body emptiness.
Those 2 years were very very adventurous. I would see a colourful milkiway in my body and i would bring my awareness to it to clear it. My inner voice will warn me clearing this milkiway will also burn down one of my major assets in the form of an industry that I had earlier created. I never hesitated.
My factory got burnt down.Millions of rupees were down the drain.My son and family would be totally disturbed. I would just not bother.
This is just a minor example. Many many things happened.
But I persisted and after two years or so my body was empty. I tasted EMPTINESS in the truest sense.
In fact it looks like emptiness but it is full of POTENTIAL Energy of COSMIC TYPE. I tested it. I created a minor desire. The desire got easily fulfilled and part universe in form of stars appeared in my body. This too was cleared by the weapon of AWARENESS.
Three views of Emptiness as I see it.
- Ist view
Greatest illusion that Guatam Buddha broke is that “NOTHING EXISTS”.
Yes, It is a Truth that Emptiness (Nothing) is the source of creation. And everything ends in Emptiness after a period of time.What ever is in between is “Existence”. But for Guatam this was the greatest stumbling block for humans.
Guatam buddha created the science of EXISTENCE.
And wonder of wonders he created such a science that Existence could survive even the Emptiness and time.
To understand this science one has to go to Lotus sutra. In this sutra Guatam explains the methods that Buddhas have utilised and he has given a solid proof of this success.
The greatest achievement before Guatam period was considered Arhantship. An Arhant after meditation on “Nothing Exists” with awareness reaches a stage which was considered the ultimate success. No rebirth for him and the words used for him was that “he has reached the other shore”
As per Lotus Sutra Guatam Buddha held a gathering at Eagle Peak after 20 year of his preaching. And he revealed this science of Existence to a few arhants, But he asked majority of others arhants to leave the place as those arhants refused to leave their achievement and peace of arhantship. After they left, he told the remaining arhants that chaff (rejections) have left and here I bestow on you a “Prophesy” of Buddhahood in future. You all will pass thro in between stage of Bhoddhisattvahood. Whatever Sutras I preached earlier were for the preparation for this moment of revealing. I had to initially bring you all to stage of arhanship so that you qualify for this “Bestowing of Prophesy”. - 2nd view
Science has advanced like anything. The search went macro and micro.
In macro search with electronic radio powerful telescopes, satelites, computer linkups they traced the history of origin of our galaxi. I am giving the summary in this letter and refering you to two books both for micro and macro results.
- “Code name God” and “Cosmic detective”. The name of the author is “Mani Bhaumik”
These books explain that both micro and macro researches have ended in the start of matter, life to Emptiness. The books are in lay man language and are very interesting. Here is the summary if you can not lay your hands on the books. - They located a spot where light waves were bending. Later they named it as blackhole.
- After some time two huge globes emerged from this blackhole.
- Again after some time these two globes emitted rays alround and those rays intervined to form a carpet sort of structure.
- Later still stars started emerging out at the junctions.
- Planets (earth) and life emerged later.
Similarly research at micro level came down to element to molecule to atom to electrones, positrons, neutrones, Nanos and what not ending in emptiness or total disappearance .
The conclusion of scientists was there is some substance like Emptiness (Beyond senses) which exists at all levels at smallest and at biggest size and everything goes beyond senses , instruments etc.
Scientists did not stop at this.
They further found out that the patterns of stars that emerged out of black holes was so very very…very accurate that even if there was an unbalance of micro micro level, the universe could have been destroyed by collapsing or by scattering. They started feeling that there must be extraordinary intelligence in the black holes that has designed the universe.
Conclusion is that Emptiness ( beyond senses) is everywhere and matter, life comes out of it but beyond lies the intelligence.
This leads us further to utilise our intelligence, logic, Wisdom and meditation to be used as research tools towards “Nothing Exists”.
In further writing I shall come back for support to meditation, vedas, Buddhas, for research on “Nothing Exists” and then write why we have to ultimately go beyond to “EXISTENCE” and why by faith and not by birth I have become disciple of Lotus sutra and not of Hindu, christian, Muslim or any other God.
- 3rd view
Nothing exists is a universal truth. Many saints in the past have observed this truth from different places. They have all named it differently. A few names are
1.Advait
2 Suniata
3.Emptiness
- Tatav
- Dao etc.
When I went into details, saints gave following description - It is everywhere (even scientist have confirmed it).
- It is nowhere yet everywhere.
- It is totally powerless yet all the power of the universe comes out of it
4.It is so small that even pin point is extremely large for it.
5 Yet it is infinite and billions of universes will be a minor part of this - It gives birth to billions of variety of things but it disconnects itself from this all.
- All attempts and methods fail to get a link with this Nothingness. If persistent attempts are made the one who does it disappears in this sea of Nothingness.( This is how an Arhat does}
- Some say this is God
- Others say that it is a covering behind which God is there.
Hence Guatam Buddha never commented on God, if repeatedly asked he said
" THAT GOD IS NOT RELEVENT TO OUR EXISTENCE"
AND HE HAS PRODUCED SCIENCE OF EXISTENCE IN LOTUS SUTRA WITH A PURPOSE TO FREE THIS EXISTENCE FROM DUKKHA, OLD AGE, MISERY, SICKNESS ETC.
Hinayana, Therawadin, Dzogchen are the necessary base from which this science rises.