This earth is in a certain space. In this same space there are at present 31 other spaces. Parallel example is screen of TV. Press a channel no and the same screen shows different scene.
Same is the case with our space. Under different cosmic frequency this earth with disappear and you will be in different existence.
All these planes have all types of egos existing. So our earth has all types of egos. Christ egos, Krishna egos, Mohamad egos,buddha egos etc.
Nirvan is at present beyond all these egos and only Buddha can enter it.
Welcome to the AYP forums, riju! I am also quite the newcomer to this online spiritual oasis and sincerely thank all of the fine people here, for accepting me with open arms, hearts and minds.
There is a lot of respect and courtesy shown within these discussions, by those who are here to freely exchange their ideas and deepest inspirations. Much of this respect and mutual courtesy, is reflected in the way ideas and philosophies are peacefully shared and I must say, it’s so beautiful and remarkable to converse with others who are both impartial and objective. I believe we can learn the most from each other, thus broadening our understanding and insight, in such a graceful manner and harmonious way. 
I was initially choosing to stay out of this or any conversation which begins including words like “versus” or whose message strongly states other perspectives are “imperfect”, as this rarely cultivates any worthwhile spiritual fruit which can be partaken of equally and joyfully… but I do feel an urge to express my perspective, here in this intriguing thread.
Honestly, I am a simple person and know that no matter how much information I accumulate or voraciously study, until I step beyond my own isolation and individuality, I will never be able to be free of my Samskaras. It all leads back to the self who chooses to divide this from that, here from there and oneself from another.
While I have studied many scriptures, from various traditions, for many decades now… I find that some vital Truth is present within all of these systems of belief, aspirations and ideologies.
But in my own life, on my own chosen path, I accept the splendor of each of these systems of belief (or even systems of non-belief) and strongly limit myself from judging another’s views… or falling into the trap of comparing proverbial, apples and oranges.
All paths and spiritual lineages are the products of human thought reaching beyond it’s own limitations and in this light, they are all “imperfect”. All we know with any degree of certainty, is that we are here, now. Each road leads one’s attention to this very moment, the miraculous manifestation of this present experience of being alive and observing this paradigmatic phenomenon (from the inside out).
That being said, we are each dreaming this reality into being, through our own incarnation, as we are not permanently separate from what we believe is the totality of God, for we are the very epicenter of this bloom of existential self, as it attempts to understand what is happening and why it even exists at all, through the perceptions derived from the 5 senses, rationale of the intellect and sheer wonder and mystery of human intuition.
For my own personal vision and Dharma, there are no conflicts or contradictions between the Vedas and the gospel of Sakyamuni. Perhaps there are variances in these thought-forms and ideologies? Surely there are! But these are of relative meaning and can easily become a tangle of conflicting interpretations.
From my windowsill, there is but one true reality pervading all of the myriad appearances and whether I label it “Brahman”, “God”, “Allah”… or choose to refute it as an object which I can observe as an individual soul, to subjectify or conceive of by any name or form, I must remain perennially humble and remember the genuine reason why I began this Sadhana in the first place. I seek to understand that which underlies the phenomenon and become liberated from ignorance, suffering and the shackles of my own unique samskaras and overall karma. The same as any Jiva. 
I agree with much of your viewpoint, yet for myself, there is no right way or wrong way… no imperfect teaching or more perfect teaching. We each glean what we may from the wisdom of sages and saints… but ultimately, we need to cultivate a higher degree of conscious-awareness within ourselves, to even begin to approach the levels these sages speak of.
A mere 39 years of meditation have taught me just how illusory any idea can be, even concepts like nothingness or infinity. When mind becomes silent and thoughts cease to arise, one is free to simply be. To center one’s attention upon a single point in clarity, thus pass into immersion and consciously unite with all that seemingly exists and all that shall never manifest into existence or become divided as this or that.
This exponentially reveals how relative any “truth” can be and how locked into the cycle of human thought, most of these ideas quintessentially are. for even the idea of Nirvana is a veil, a membrane and a division we create by maintaining our subjective perception of that which is indivisibly beyond duality.
For whatever reason, I’ve always fancied spiritual analogies and parables. I feel that religions or philosophies are like hats. Each one has it’s own form and particular color, even as flowers do. As with the many lovely blossoms in the garden of earthly life, their color, form and fragrance are most wonderful and unique.
Within the parameters of the fragrance exuded by these “hats”… all doctrines and scriptural theologies are born and bloom from a particular aspect of the same force, the very same energy being channeled from the insubstantial nature of the Godhead or Brahman (my favorite hat of them all). [OM]
Sakyamuni/Gautama Buddha taught that all things are of impermanent reality. That what we perceive with our senses and intellect are illusory. Even our conceptual ideologies about God, Atman and Nirvana are equally of a dream-like nature and are mirages had by the individual self, which is of itself, also quite an illusion.
I sincerely believe there are no real divisions, no lasting separations and no ultimate differentiation betwixt the myriad planes ascending above and bellow this material one. There eternally exists no permanent division between: Gods & Goddesses, Buddhas and Bodhisattva, Devas and Jivas… these only exist within the fulcrum of mind and it’s propensity for maintaining it’s dichotomous characteristic, that of being a separate observer of the flowing, ceaselessly changing expression of the Sacred One, the Unified Field, the Divine Being.
I have found much wisdom in the Buddha’s notion of Anatman or non-self, for when we cross the boundaries of mind and thought-forms, we enter into the what has been described as the Clear Light of the Void, whence all is without form, substance or appearance. Merging into this infinite emptiness is Nirvana upon the eclipsing, agreed, but this too shall be eventually released along with the lingering membranes of any self to perceive of it.
As with the teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi, Sakyamuni implores us to go beyond all appearances and fixations. So, in parabolic fashion, I conceive of our own unique existential parameter like this…
It’s as if we are each gazing at the radiance of spiritual light through colored spectacles. Some see the color of a Supreme Deity who creates, maintains and destroys all that is born into existence. Some see a passing illusion, which has no true substance or reality without the maintenance of an ego to subjectify it. these adhere ot eh Void and refute any Deity. Some see a clearly delineated stairway, rising higher and higher into the Heavenly realms, each level and pane gradually becoming more refined and perfect.
Some see nothing at all, for their lenses are so dense that no light is even perceivable and so, they claim all of these glasses are mere deceptions and tomfoolery (proclaiming that there is no purpose or reason to existence).
Rare incarnate souls take off the glasses completely and do not perceive of colors, levels or ideologies. I have faith that these ones have awakened to the reality that a great responsibility awaits them. To such entities, the extinguishing of the indwelling self is the direct pathway to this present moment, this fulcrum of conscious-awareness that erases itself by it’s own gradual blossoming and so, attains the unattainable by releasing even the desire to unite and become liberated from ignorance.
This beatific realization is such that one remembers always being free, all along the voyage from nonexistence to sentient existence. The dream of isolation and ignorance was merely another mirage, which itself vanishes when the full-bloom of internal attunement erases the mind-stuff of the Jivatman’s journey of awakening. Self appears to dreams itself into being and this is cause for much contemplation.
Perhaps this is where the duality present in the mirrored, opposite reflection and polarized juxtaposition of Jivatman versus Paramatman, initially inspired Lord Buddha to speak of Anatman? God and God’s sons or Buddha and Buddha’s sons… it’s all a dream. Nothing is permanent in this universe, save for change. As Kami wisely states, about undifferentiated Brahman manifesting the Godhead as Ishvara and so too, Ishvara dividing into Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva (ad infinitum). These are appearances and aspects of but one reality.
I often wonder if without any lines drawn by mind or membranes caused by human quantification, language would even be necessary. Yet, we exist in this material realm, each of us projecting our own expressions and perceptual dreamscapes… so the need for communication is self-sustaining on some very significant levels.
Illusory as our individuality is… we share this experience together and my prayer is that we come to a deeper degree of harmony from our efforts and expressions to share our insights and epiphanies.
It is wise to silence the mind and in so doing, awaken to this luminous moment, itself an eternity in the making. But this is just my 2,000 cents worth on this fascinating subject. 
Om Shanti, Shanti, Shanti
Dear Govinda,
Your words of beauty and wisdom are like cool and welcome shade in a desert. How I’ve longed to say this, but how much more beautifully you say it! Spiritual knowledge is about going beyond divisions, which are entirely illusory and the product of the limited human mind. Blessed is he that sees that there is but One in all - Krishna, Buddha, Allah or Jesus. Thank you for the powerful presence you bring to these forums as avatars of love and grace.
My deepest regards to you.
Govinda,
Thanks for the welcome.
It is a fact that this universe of many has had a source of oneness at some stage. That ONE (some call it God) has the power to manifest many and yet remaining complete in HIMSELF.
Interaction of these many is the CAUSE and EFFECT follows. This ONE is aloof, non-interfering. To aim back for this ONE is a big ILLUSION.
And I see an ILLUSION in this approach of yours.
I am an entity, who through various births has evolved, sometimes illogically and sometimes logically or with some WISDOM. My body has various sentients working and I as a whole take them along and survive.
Sometimes due to my mistakes I might go down and sometimes I may rise with WISDOM and become Vishnu, Brahma.
Guatam Buddha has written down this FULL SCIENCE of evolution of an indivitual. Only by undestanding this can we rise. And with this rise we can help others to rise also.
Vedas explain this ONE. And vedas also explain some of the ways many have taken to become Vishnu etc.Here I agree.
Patanjali explains partly the science of interaction of many to ones advantage thro yoga or UNION.And here I also agree that whatever he has written is very useful. Because we came down from ONE, the unity works.
But first we have to move away from this ONE (god) otherwise we are aspiring for an ILLUSION.Devotion and Love towards ONE works partly because of its indirect effect of UNITY.
Hi Riju,
Do you have the ability to contact or share presence with a Buddha (or God)?
Thanks,
Jeff
Perhaps I am lost in illusion, as you proclaim, and perhaps I am awakening to this reality in leaps and bounds? Who can say with any certainty? But my spiritual journey is part of my own karmic dreamscape and I accept that much of it is projected from my evolving mind. So, this is why I spend so much concentration, focus and attention suspending my thoughts and consciously immersing my awareness within the insubstanciality and emptiness centered within the Bindu.
This universe has oneness in all of it’s stages, hence the prefix of “uni” or singularity. But I respect your viewpoint. And I feel that while we may accept or refute the immanence of the Divine Presence… it matters little if we remain only locked into the revolving loop of human thinking.
And regardless of any philosophy or methodology, I believe that it is of utmost importance to still the mind and enter into the silence beyond the emanations from the One. The price for such quieting of the mind is the cessation of the ego-self and the bloom of the Omniself. For my way, this is Yoga and while it is not the only path, but it is a beautiful way to live.
One needn’t necessarily ascend to the Heavenly realms or leave the material body behind… if one is centered upon the Holy vibration, one becomes increasingly attuned to the harmony and majesty of the Spiritus flowing throughout this entire universe.
Ultimately, we shed even this Paramataic immersion and wholly release ourselves to the quietude and stillness which transcends any duality. This is what I believe Sri Gautama Buddha was pointing out, as well as the cause and effect of suffering based on desire and the mesmerism of sentient ignorance. I feel that this is what he meant, with his emphasis on Anatman (what I label Zero-self), for there is no lasting separation from the unity, only a dreamscape formed by human misconceptions and mirages.
In the depth of internal emptiness and formlessness, resides Buddhi or Jnana or Gnosis, “enlightenment”, etc…
It is towards this aim that I draw my inspiration and direct my sincerest Sadhana.
Yes, many sages have incarnated to aid humankind to awaken and Sakyamuni is not alone in this regard. Krisha, Zarathustra, Lao Tzu, Socrates, Mahavira, Christ, Shakaracharya, Mohammed, Bankei Yotaku and many, many others. For they have given us glistening spiritual jewels to reflect the Divine Light of the Indivisible Oneness, each in their own unique way… and to deeply contemplate upon. We become enriched more so, when we lean from the many voices of the Supreme, spoken through the vehicles of his/her manifestation.
This is not what I have understood or seen… but I respect your beliefs. As I see it, there is no going away or returning to the reality behind the appearances. The Sacred Essence is always present, we need only turn inwards to find the direct connection and when we do so, we see God everywhere, in all things, shining in all other beings. All separations dissolve and all divisions cease to blind us.
May you have a blessed day, friend.
In the begining of this thread I had mentioned that science of Lotus sutra given by Guatam Buddha has been neglected due to its requiring spiritual insights. (read my view above on Lotus sutra
In the introductory chapter (I can paste the para from Lotus sutra for you) Guatam discards Arhats, who had achieved complete peace in themselves and for themselves only. He wanted only those Arhats who were ready to shed peace of Arhat to serve and mingle with existence.
He wanted them to live and practice compassion for others and in this way lose their peace. He wanted them to resuffer.
Only those arhats were accepted for the path of Buddhahood who agreed with Guatam Buddha. To them he taught lotus sutra.
Imagine for 35 relentless years he taught them to achieve total peace in mind (Therwada/hinayana) and reach arhat stage.
And then he told them to move ahead by a new method (mahayana) and to forget peace of mind of an arhat.
There was a solid logical reason behind all this.
May be.During meditation I am in contact with some higher power, probably some Bhoddisattva or may be Buddha Himself. A question arises in me and I get the answer.
That is why I gave the evolution system of Bees and Ants. I may be having this type of contact with Guatam Buddha.
NO RESPONSE ANY MORE, IT SEEMS THE THREAD STOPS HERE.
Arahat is an extremely high stage of achievement. Hinduism and Jainism knew about this stage at the time of Guatam Buddha era and there are many descriptions of this path.
Arahat goes beyond all stages of bliss and reaches a perfect equanmity.
Arahat is much above those who practice yoga and meditation.Yoga and meditation is a source of SIDDHIS (Powers) achievements.
Guatam Buddha relentlessly taught by various suttas to his monks to achieve arahatship. But this is all that present Buddhism or any other religion at present around the world teaches.
No one is practicing Lotus sutra, because it is very difficult for an arahat to come out of his stage of achievement on his own.
A yoga and meditation expert has to cross first hurdle of Siddhis.
Second major hurdle is of Bliss of Arahatship.
And then starts a VOW to re-enter a state of sufferings for all the humanity or existence surrounding him. Here he has to sacrifice his siddhis and arahatship compltely and follow the path of COMPASSION.
And yet Arahat is a necessary certificate, based on which Lotus sutra teaching starts.
Guatam Buddha predicted that after 500 years of his passing away, there will be hardly any one who will understand Lotus sutra.
He went to the extent that if any one who opens up Lotus sutra in latter times, he will be insulted, ignored, hated.
I have tested Buddha forums and Lotus sutra teachings are missing.
I have read so called teachers of Bhuddism, and they are totally ignorant of WISDOM of Lotus sutra. There are many devotees of Lotus sutra at present in Buddhism and they are not able to explain the writings.
I have also roamed around in HIMALYAS and met many practicing saints, meditators, ashram gurus, yogis, and tried to open lotus sutra for them. I have been met mostly with silence.
SILENCE IS WHAT I HAVE TO BECOME HERE AS WELL
( everyone of you can retry reading lotus sutra, translation in all languages is available on internet and also printed books are there)
Hi Riju,
Your posts seem to have been leading to this last point that some traditions sort of top off at the Arahat level, while implying that Buddha taught a higher “Buddha” level. But why do you find the Lotus sutra unique, the Lankavatara Sutra gives a very organized and clear view of all of the stages and even warns about not getting “stuck” and continuing on to “full realization”. It also describes useful practices to support realization and a overview of universal mind.
What do you find that makes the Lotus sutra superior? Does it describe steps or practices to transcend the Arahat level? Can you describe the approach?
Also, Dzogchen, Bon and Gnostic Christianity all have techniques and teachings for moving beyond the Arahat level to full realization. Are you familiar with those traditions, so that we can discuss how the approaches compare to what you have found with the Lotus sutra?
Thanks for the discussion.
Best wishes,
Jeff
1.Lankavatara sutra… We see our physical world. This physical world of stars, galaxis, milkiways is hardly 1% of the total world. 99% of the world out there is in the form of cosmic energy (part of it is mental).
And the source of all this is EMPTINESS. Lankavatara sutra is describing this in details. This is what maximum I know about it.
2. Lotus sutra…Is far far beyond. It explains the method by which human beings like you and me can fully use or exploit the material of the whole world (described in Lankavatra and other sutras) for self benefit and for the benefit of other existence.
Based on the knowledge given in Lotus sutra one can grow to a very high level. And after becoming a Buddha or Bhoddisattva can take part in designing future worlds. These Buddhas (you and me after folowing Lotus sutra) will be having an experience of negativities of this existing worlds and hence will be in a position to improve the existence.
3.Dzogchen…gives a science of silencing the mind within the presence of guru or teacher or a little higher power. Probably with this science one can become low grade arahat or understand and experience NO SELF stage.
4.Bon and Gnostic…No idea, I have not studied them.
- Lotus sutra explains scientifically that we two legged human beings are in the centre of this universe. We are the real creators. We have created, parlays, mahaparlays, galaxis, suns etc.
All because, we at lower level know the physical world and at higher levels know mental and cosmic world. Our body being in the MIDDLE of creation was able to tap the knowledge.
With this knowledge and unlimited time of evolution we have reached the high stage of being CREATORS. We are the ones who are stage by stage making this creation organised and free from sufferings.
THE MOST IMPORTANT POINT OF LOTUS SUTRA IS THAT WE BUDDHAS HAVE MADE A PERMANENT BASE. NO OTHER SYSTEM HAS THIS ADVANTAGE.
Those who rely on gods, supergods, atmas etc. close their mind to this path of growth. Persons are so afraid that they badly need the support of some one else. With the understanding of Lotus sutra one can come out of this state of fear.
Lower physical and cosmic worlds have immense atoms (small particles) and hence can store huge amount of information, knowledge, logic, and WISDOM.
Upper cosmic worlds have IMMENCE power.
Two legged human beings have been able to tap both these sources. And the combination is the Buddhas. Buddhas are store house of immense power due to their immense WISDOM.
Self or Ego is the one that started this process. Self or Ego also has the negativity of dividing. WISDOM overcomes this negativity after an indivitual has experienced NO SELF or ARAHAT stage. And then this WISDOM oriented human being controls the ego when it wants the DIVISION and gives this ego full freedom to BLOOM OR EXPAND when it is collecting the WISDOM AND POWER.
Good evening, riju.
Yes, you are most correct. The Rig Vedas makes several definitive reference to “Arahatta” and we find this term used in the Bhagavata Purana, as well as prevalent within Jain scriptures, quite frequently. Most of the qualities and attributes of any spiritual lineage are wholly universal… and Arahats and Bodhisattvas are not limited to any special group or scriptural teaching. So, those who have risen to such levels are found in practically all religions, worldwide (though the labels we attribute to them vary in name from linguistic system to linguistic system).
While this is quite correct, it applies equally to all spiritual beings in transition, even Buddhists. Are you saying Sri Shankaracharya, Sant Kabir, Ramakrishna Paramahansa, Sri Ramana Maharshi, Anandamayi Ma or Sri Sri Sitaramdas Omkarnath were not also illumined Arahats? Please consider how this come across to others who practice alternate systems of spiritual training, specifically the Yogic lineages.
Vedic wisdom is undeniably the root of Buddhism, itself an extension and branch of the same Sacred tree, so to speak. Although Gautama Buddha saw how too much adherence to rituals, books and written teachings are often quite fruitless. They do not transfer enlightenment in and of themselves. We all need to move far beyond literal conceptions, beyond mind, beyond human thinking, even Buddhist scholars.
In my studies and deepest contemplations, I have found that Yogis, Buddhists, Taoists, Sufis, Christian Gnostics, Jewish Kabbalahists and Native American shamanic belief systems, all contain similar descriptives and thus, regardless of faith or linguistics… a saintly person is a saintly person, period! Wisdom is wisdom, wherever it blossoms and whosoever speak it.
Here we agree completely! Surrender and ego-death open us to higher understanding. In Theistic traditions, we call this the descent of “Grace”… and said Grace blooms within our hearts as an intensely deep compassion for all sentient life forms. This engenders spiritual love, tremendous bliss and wondrously ecstatic levels of euphoria. But even our attachment to the bliss and Samadhi/Satori/Divine Rapture, etc… is a subtle but entrapping form of bondage. Attachment of any kind is still attachment, plain and simple and thus, it is not yet Moksha.
Even love of Krishna or the Buddha, can keep the subject-object dichotomy intact and maintain the barriers which divide the sincere seeker from that which is sought. Yogic literature is filled with teachings dealing with this cross-road and many of us here are very familiar with letting of of all associations and fixations. When we do so… we transcend the mirage of our limiting self-identification with form & substance and thus, freely bloom exponentially (regardless of lineage of belief system).
Ultimately, we are each called by the Supreme Spiritus, Brahman, the Tao or Buddhi… or whatever we choose to name the unnameable… to release all of ourselves into the Clear Light of the Void. Being proud of our favorite Sutra or Gospel is equally binding to the soul of any Jiva/individual. We must each surrender everything and become centered, still and serene. And even when the seeker reaches such blissful and ecstatic states, they must be set aside with all other subjective interpretations and individual attachments. Our Yogic efforts to attune us to this higher truth, bringing us that much closer to the insubstantial radiance of the infinite Bindu.
We all must move beyond our own chosen dogmas and stop our minds from dominating our conscious-awareness. So yes, we are all heading the same direction and I salute anyone who devotes their life to spiritual attunement and deep immersion within the Sacred Web of the Unified Field of Being. Why assume other systems lack this beatific quality and higher teaching? Are we not all incrementally becoming more compassionate, harmonious and loving? I believe that we are! So, please try to understand that each of us are the same, in this regard. We share the same Sacred heartbeat. 
Personally, I have been more exposed to Chan/Seon/Zen Buddhist path… but I am familiar with the Pali Canon, the Lotus Sutra and the Diamond Sutra. I sincerely respect the Theravada tradition, Mahayana and Hinayana, as well as the various Buddhist tributaries like Vajrayana, flowing gracefully throughout this world at large.
I myself love Sakyamuni and deeply honer his teachings. Since boyhood, the image of Gautama Buddha seated in Padmasana has been an inspiration. It was this which initially brought me to meditation, as a youngster, and still continues to generate renewed aspirations towards “enlightenment”. We share mcuh in common.
But I equally honor all spiritual teachers and methods or paradigms of spiritual teaching. There are no lasting “isms” or “ists”… these are just ideas. Merely thought-forms, traditions of essentially, dogma and religious club-politics. Stripping away all thoughts… there is only the eternal flow of the Tao. We are not just one with that expression, we are nothing else but that. [OM]
Or in Yogic terms, if one sees the Godhead most immanently, and directly experiences the glory of Brahman hidden in everything, manifesting anew as the all-in-all, there is naught but God to witness. Then in a profound way, God is perceiving Godself in all aspects of existence and within all manifestations or variations of existential being. I find far more symmetry than asymmetry betwixt Vedanta and Buddhism. While their myriad cosmological ideologies are dissimilar in specificity of content, their teachings the benefits practiced by their students, are mirrored images in their effect.
I personally see everything as an expression of the Divine Being, so too, I also see all appearances as being wholly illusory in nature, impermanent and transitory. For in the truest reality, all is One indivisible quintessence. Thus, I honestly believe that most of our attempts to express what we experience in deepest meditation, inspired contemplation or higher levels of conscious-awareness, are just that… expressions drawn from our own human subjectivity. Much of this is impossible to clearly put into words, though some of it miraculously slips through the dichotomy of the subject-object juxtaposition.
I feel that in silence and the infinite quietude of spiritual absorption, they too, are part of our dreamscapes and so, remain bound to our illusory minds. Thoughts and ideologies need to be whooly stilled and completely silenced, to shift beyond dualistic perceptions. And I honor your path, towards that aim.
May your day and your night be filled with much peace and serenity, crystal clarity and equanimity, dear friend.
Namaste, your brother Govinda
Brother i see a huge difference in your and mine thinking’
- for me there is no divine power on whom I should look upto. I look upto the Buddhas (churned out wisdom from milk of existence)
- for me Ego is very very important. I treated Ego as a wild horse whom I have reined in with WISDOM. Now that my ego is under my control. I use it whenever it unites sentients in my body and also it unites my relationship outside with the world.
When this ego of mine gets unruly or out of control, I sit in meditation and rein it in with WISDOM again and again.
The path is the same in almost all the religions upto the level of Arahat.
You have picked up those points only on which you agree with my writings.And there are bound to be similarities to that extent.
But I have written much more where you may not like to agree with my writings.
Basically I am submitting three major points on which I need your comments. - Supreme God if any is not connected with the system of evolution of our universe.
- Guatam Buddh considered many (not all) Arhats as chaffs of rice.(part of rice which is better be thrown out).
3.It is Buddhas who are the real creaters of this universe and they have the permanent/eternal base on which this creative universe is improving.
Here are my comments on your reply
Supereme being, Brahman, Tao are the starting point of our journey to existence.
Going back to the source is a total waste. After all in the journey of existence we have suffered a lot and picked up WISDOMS. If we go to the source we lose this Wisdom.
Buddhi is different. It is the butter of the churning. We have to find out the methods of saving it. Buddhas successfully found this method and lotus sutra mentions this.
My personal reading is that you are not exposed to Lotus sutra and Diamond sutra.Let us both open up, I expect many secrets will come out in our discussion.
Agreed. I may add that I am also the divided part of this divine being
They might have been in transition. My clear feeling is that Arahat tends towards invisibility and when he has reached the final destination of Arahat, his existence becomes invisible to others.
ABSOLUTE EMPTINESS
Emptiness creates life anywhere and everywhere.
But it gives it time after which the life goes back into emptiness.
It is like waves in a sea. The waves rise and then fall back.
The Lotus sutra totally surprised me when it said that many important past Buddhas were two legged beings. I take it that he is refering to human beings.
Many Rishis and saints in past understood the power of emptiness.
Many must have tried to survive, but failed before Buddhas came.
The existence was full of dukkha and none was finding relief.
But some great ones in the past could reach a position of an arahat and got away from the clutches of dukkha.
But this arahat was a one of greatest mirage and all arahats in the past would fall back into emptiness. The reason was that when one tastes freedom from dukkha, one is in total peace of anand (happiness). And the Time (the unrelenting Kal) takes him back to emptiness.The Arhat does not want to come out of that state. Other reason is that he thinks that there is no alternative as this emptiness is a form of God.But it was still considered a success as he is the one who escaped.
UNTIL A WISER ONE CAME. The first two legged Buddha understood the problem and found out the solution. THE LOTUS SUTRA GIVES THAT SOLUTION.
I have brought out the problem for all of you and I have told you that solution was found out and it is in lotus sutra. I hope some of you are curious to search and find out the solution. I think here I should not put my words before you.
Buddhas have not totally succeeded against emptiness but it is claim by Buddhas in lotus sutra that they have almost done it.
Do these words not prove that Emptiness is all prevading Absolute Truth.
Hi Riju,
The Lankavatara Sutra describes the issue of “falling back into emptiness” very well in the following words…
The exalted state of self-realisation as it relates to an earnest disciple is a state of mental concentration in which he seeks to indentify himself with Noble Wisdom. In that effort he must seek to annihilate all vagrant thoughts and notions belonging to the externality of things, and all ideas of individuality and generality, of suffering and impermanence, and cultivate the noblest ideas of egolessness and emptiness and imagelessness; thus will he attain a realisation of truth that is free from passion and is ever serene. When this active effort at mental concentration is succesful it is followed by a more passive, receptive state of Samadhi in which the earnest disciple will enter into the blissful abode of Noble Wisdom and experience its consumations in the transformations of Samapatti. This is an earnest disciple’s first experience of the exalted state of realisation, but as yet there is no discarding of habit-energy nor escaping from the transformation of death.
Having attained this exalted and blissful state of realisation as far as it can be attained by disciples, the Bodhisattva must not give himself up to the enjoyment of its bliss, for that would mean cessation, but should think compassionately of other beings and keep ever fresh his original vows; he should never let himself rest nor exert himself in the bliss of the Samadhis.
But, Mahamati, as earnest disciples go on trying to advance on the path that leads to full realisation.
MY OWN IDEAS ABOUT EMPTINESS/AWARENESS/DIVINE POWER
Starting point is God (Nature of God is Awareness and Emptiness).
Other names given are THAT/SUPREME GOD/ DIVINEPOWER/TAO/ATMA
Awareness is God’s mind and Emptiness is God’s body.
It is only one/not one, no where, yet everywhere (no space, no time), unstable, Ignorant.
Ignorance and instability was a first cause of split,and this created many from one.
Very powerful unisex (neither male nor female) Gods along with space and time got created at that stage.
The space was not of this three dimensioned type, but it had fourth dimension as well. (this can be discussed later).
The presence of these various Gods in the neighbourhood created consciouness in some of them. And this consciousness gave them control (like a steering wheel of a car).
And this became a major Cause and these gods started searching for ETERNITY ( transceding TIME).
This is the stage of start of BUDDHHAHOOD.
Buddhas first developed WISDOM due to various experiences in the past due to interaction of CAUSE AND EFFECT.
This WISDOM made them understand the Emptiness of Consciousness. And understanding the stage of NO SELF they joined together to survive upto ETRENITY. They were the first BUDDHAS.
Thus UNISEX is the start of life downwards
The Gods that did not understand Wisdom split further and came down to lower planes.
One semi ignorant God split some portion of Himself to create a playmate and entertainer for Himself. We subsequently describe them as MALE AND FEMALE.
This god kept the Self, creativity, and wisdom with himself and gave emotions like love, service to the female part.
So He started a perfect happy life with entertainer, service provider, emotional partner.
This model was very appealing to many other Gods and they started copying Him rather than copy BUDDHAS.
Later on due to interaction of male and females and their duties these sexes got intermixed.At present all males are not 100 % males and neither
females are 100% females.
The Buddhas had created an eternal survival kit against time and Emptiness with their WISDOM. This is the core of Bhuddism.
Male female creation and segregation came much later.
Even now as per lotus sutra no Buddha has been able to enter Buddhahood or Nirvan with male or female genital. He has to be unisex.
Later on when two legged human beings with a lot of variety of emotions, sexes, creativity etc, got produced by various Gods, Buddhas were very fascinated.
They want these varieties and creativities of bisexuals, males and females to be incorporated in this world of Buddhahood. Various Bhoddisattvas are operating and experimenting with these worlds of variety.
Budhas are successful to the extent that females along with males can go to Buddhahood in steps. First females have to shed their emotions and start changing to malehood.
Second and very important …Males and so called females (who have changed to males ) have to shed their genitals, convert into UNISEX MALE . After this they are qualified to become Buddhas.
But effort to widen the scope to get entry is the effort of Bhoddisattvas for all LIFE, may it be male, female, animals etc.
It is continuing and we see a huge variety of universes that Bhoddisattvas exist in.
Hi Riju,
I have been looking “inside” and exploring for a while. From what I have found, there are a few of your points that I would agree with, but would disagree with some and things like the creation of women and how that effects the world.
Awareness (God) is like a primordial sea of light plama. No order or structure. A buddha is one that has been able to find form and structure in the sea. The buddha then creates a stable “bubble” in the sea. This bubble is what is often called “universal mind”, the mind of a buddha or existence.
A buddha is the basis for what we call reality, but also has a “form” or presence in the reality. This form is often called a “rainbow body”. A buddha and other “higher” beings can be directly contacted (communicate) when one begins to notice the “light” of universal mind/consciousness.
Our human forms are our “mappings” into this stable platform of buddha consciousness. Where most of us would be lost (and cease) in the primordial sea, we are able to grow and develop in the World (framework) provided by a buddha. Each being has the ability to grow and become a “buddha”.
The male and female “forms” are just part of the ongoing development. Growing beings (or ego as you call them) need to experience both. Rather than as you described, the female form is more directly “integrated” into the world (or buddha mind) than a male. The female form is much better at “creation” and can hold approximately 10x the light/energy as a male form. This greater worldly energy and integration can create a feeling of stronger attachment (emotions). The male form acts more like a “network” or conduit for light/energy. With the lower strength/energy held in the form there is less connection (integration) and greater ability to move.
I would agree that a Buddha (and all higher beings) are unisex. Becoming a buddha requires the male component to connect and have the framework of mind, combined with the female component of creation and formation of the world (stable platform). But, one cannot become a buddha without the a heart filled with “love like a mother”. Buddhahood is about balance and clarity.
Best wishes,
Jeff