Expanded Sushumna

Hi,
During this morning’s meditation’s spinal breathing, something shifted. Usually, during spinal breathing, my witness/awareness has the point of view that it is located up and ahead of the spine. That is, it is like the center of me is somewhere in the head around the medulla and when you send your attention up and down the spine during spinal breathing, it is as if you are just ahead and above of the spine/sushumna and you are looking down at it from the exterior.
From this exterior perspective, the sushumna looks like a pink/blue/whitish colored straw about 1/4 inch thick and it has bends in it or knots around a location in the lower abdomen and the heart (that I can see).
What happened this morning is that instead of having the usual perspective of viewing the sushumna from that angle, something inside me shifted and my perception started telecoping up and down the interior of the sushumna. It is like I can push my awareness up and down directly from the inside of the sushumna instead of being on the outside. Further, I could not find an angled junction that led to the third eye by the brows. It went straight up.
When it first happened I thought it was really neat. The sushumna opened up about 2 inches thick and it was like being in an elevator with my awareness, travelling directly up and down. It was no longer me sending my attention up and down, it was like the pictures or visual field was changing but “I” was remaining constant. I could see slices of body parts as my focus of awareness went up and down or what seemed to be more in and out. I had to struggle a bit to maintain that new perspective but towards the end of the SB session I had it down pretty good.
During this afternoon’s meditation’s spinal breathing a new and exciting phenomenon appeared. Where do I begin?
When I looked down to start spinal breathing, there was no more sushumna, or rather, the sushumna was about 10 inches wide. It was transparent but I could see fine lines of light defining the enlargened hollow tube or shaft. I had turned into a jelly fish of light! There was no more body. It was as though I was floating in space and I had become just a point of view with a translucent wrap surrounding me.
Determined to perform spinal breathing, I took my attention from the bottom of that open-ended transparent tunnel and brought it to the top. At the top of the sushumna, there was no more top, no more physical head, only an opening into space. The opening kind of fanned out and wrapped around the top of my head like I had become a huge magnetic field. I searched for the spinal nerve which should have been towards my third eye but it was not there. I think it was there but in a different plane because I made an effort to see it and I remembered an image of it but I decided not to force anything so I let it go.
I kept on with the spinal breathing, going up and down but it seemed really stupid to do this. I mean, I moved my attention to the bottom and there is nothing but a widening hole and nothing but space beyond it. The whole sushumna was transparent and I could see space and fine colors or very dim lights in the far background. Like being in the void. As I brought my attention up, there was really nothing to see other than that space and dim lights. At the top the fine filament lighted strands of the sushumna started bending outwards like they were wrapping around what was left of me.
I did the spinal breathing for about 10 minutes like that but I kept asking myself, why am I doing this? What is going on here? I had become some kind of light/energy field suspended in space? Is there any point to spinal breathing after you’ve become a transluscent field of energy/light that resembles a magnetic field with the poles on each end? What are you supposed to do next?
Has anyone else had this experience? Is that what Yogani means by the sushumna eventually expands?
Hopefully someone here has had the same experience. It would sure be nice to hear from you. :slight_smile:
Thanks.
:slight_smile:
TI

Hi TI… :grin:
You might not want to hear this, but, “It’s all scenery”…don’t get attached to it, and don’t try to figure it out.
I would say, although I can’t know this, that this is how you experience the expanded sushumna nadi. And eventually it will get even bigger…it will encompass the entire universe and more. In Lesson 52 Yogani says “It is a very big little nerve. An amazing paradox. The inner dimension of it contains galaxies.”
This is a natural part of the purification of the sushumna nadi and it is a good thing. It is also a good thing to just continue with Spinal Breathing as Yogani instructs, and not get too caught up in the scenery. As Lesson 94 says “If you are doing spinal breathing and, as you come up to the third eye on inhalation, your ishta (your chosen ideal – Jesus, Krishna, Moses, Mohammed, Mother Divine, etc.) comes galloping up to you in a golden chariot, beckoning you to climb in and go for a ride, what do you do? You easily exhale and go back down the spinal nerve.” Enjoy the fact that your sushumna is expanding, but don’t get attached to any particular perspective of it as that will slow down progress. Allow things to be as they are and continue doing your practices without trying to understand everything with the mind…be easy with yourself and let the chips fall where they may.
Sorry if this was not the answer you were looking for…it’s all I got :wink:
Hope you and All have a wonderful holiday season.
Love,
:+1:

Hi Carson, :slight_smile:
Well thanks for trying… I think I’ve voiced my opinions about ‘scenery’ before and I see no need to go into that discussion again. And, if I see Jesus, I stop everything out of love and respect. To me, Jesus comes before practices and if he ever interrupted my practices there would be a very good reason for it… :slight_smile:
This event (that I wrote about) caused me to re-read Yogani’s “Spinal Breathing Pranayama” book and I did find a part in there about the Heart Space (as well as the expansion of the sushumna).
It is very interesting to be able to recognize this space and actually see the top and bottom of the sushumna from it (if that is actually what is happening), how it opens at the ends and encircles the ‘jelly fish’ me, how the sushumna is transparent and how we are really just a spec of consciousness floating in a huge space.
The other interesting thing is that a slight shift in perspective, which is changing from the external point of view to the internal (perception from inside the sushmuna, as though one were looking right down into it) seems to be the key to producing this experience. I wonder if I am shifting into Heart perception/consciousness mode…
I was better at doing that yesterday than today, but somewhat succeeded today also for short time periods. I think this is due to having done 17 minutes of slow breathing (1919) a few hours before the meditation session while seated at my desk yesterday, but I did not do that today because I am having some overload symptoms (nothing too serious)…
If anyone else has experienced this phenomenon of viewing from inside the sushumna, I’d love to hear about it.
:slight_smile:
TI

You’re welcome. Merry Christmas.
Love,
:+1:

Hi TI,
It sounds like you entered the Brahma nadi. The Brahma nadi is a nadi which runs up the spine inside the sushumna nadi. At around the pineal gland in the centre of the head the Brahma nadi leaves the sushumna nadi and goes out of the top of the head (crown). The sushumna nadi carries on forward through the third eye.
So when practicing spinal breathing pranayama, if this is happening, then you would notice that you are off the procedure and go back to tracing the sushumna nadi between the muladhara chakra and the ajna chakra (or out beyond the ajna towards the realms of infinite white light, if you are being drawn there naturally).
Both the root chakra and the ajna chakra are energy dynamics so the fact that there is nothing solid which is perceivable at either end is not a problem to the procedure.
Hope this helps,
Christi

Hi Christi and Merry Christmas Everyone :slight_smile:

That’s funny. I see you’ve edited your response. :slight_smile:
I just spent an hour researching the amitra nadi and the one description I could find that resembles it is Ramana’s pillar of light:
link:

Perhaps there is a difference in terminology because what I see does resemble a pillar of translucent light which is open on each end…
So now I am researching the Brahma nadi, it seems to be the central channel that kundalini rises up into…
link: http://www.triyoga.com/Kali_Devi_Lakshmiji/documents/KRIYA_YOGA.pdf

You know, Christi, I’ve often wondered if the sushumna goes out through the third eye, or continues up through the sahasrara… If you ever listen to Mark Griffin’s “The Guru Radar” talk, he claims that the sushumna extends for another three feet above the head. (If you are interested here is the link: http://www.hardlight.org/store/guru-radar-p-792.html )
Yet, Edgar cayce says that the top of the sushumna is actually the third eye at the brow which he calls the “Seventh Center”:
link: http://www.edgarcayce.org/ps2/seven_chakras_J_Van_Auken.html

And then, from Gurudeva:
link: http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/books/mws/mws_ch-41.html

And in this last quote, he says something that implies that there are seven chakras above the sahasrara! (I’ve bolded it…) So there must be a ‘sushumna’ type construction that extends far above the head. I suppose in the final analysis some people might say that it really doesn’t matter, but what if it does matter? Probably, from my perspective at this point in time, it doesn’t matter. It is fun knowing that I’m unlocking some of the mysteries of yoga… :slight_smile:
And yes, I will continue on with Spinal Breathing, only now I have two methods of moving awareness up and down the spine/sushumna. One is from the outside looking in and the other is from the inside looking out…
Thanks again for your reply.
:slight_smile:
TI

Quote:
Adi Da, in his autobiography, revealed an extraordinary and transformative yogic experience… after this experience he felt as if he had been liberated from identification with the chakra system and its polarization of ascending and descending energies. He claims to have seen that the chakra system from the point of view of the Heart was an arbitrary and unnecessary structure for the play of energy.
“The Shakti, which previously had appeared as a polarized energy that moved up and down through the various chakras or centers producing various effects, now was released from the chakra form. There was no more polarized force. Indeed, there was no form whatsoever, no up or down, no chakras. The chakra system had been revealed as unnecessary, an arbitrary rule or setting for the play of energy. The form beneath all of the bodies, gross or subtle, had revealed itself to be as unnecessary and conditional as the bodies themselves…Consciousness had shown its radical freedom and priority in terms of the chakra form. It had shown itself to be senior to that whole structure, dissociated from every kind of separate energy or shakti. There was simply consciousness itself, prior to all forms, all dilemmas, every kind of seeking and necessity.”
http://www.mountainrunnerdoc.com/kundalini.html (Had this link from your earlier post :slight_smile: )
Keeping yer pipes clean eh :wink:

Hi TI,

I’m sure you didn’t waste an hour. :slight_smile:
At first I thought it sounded like the amrita nadi, but after some reflection I thought it sounded more like the Brahma nadi, so I edited my reply accordingly. Both the Brahma nadi and the amrita nadi rise up through the sahasrara. One difference between them is that the root of the Brahma nadi is in the muladhara, like the sushumna, whereas the root of the amrita nadi is at the sacred heart, which is to the right of the heart chakra.

That depends on what you call the sushumna nadi. Some people would say that it is both. In the main lessons Yogani describes the sushumna as rising up to the centre of the head, and then going forward through the ajna chakra. Then he goes on to say that the sushumna nadi has a fork in it, with one branch of the fork going up through the crown chakra and up into the air above the head.
So if we are using simplified terminology (as Yogani does in the main lessons), then we can talk about the sushumna as going out in both directions (ajna and crown).
If we are using slightly more complex terminology (as some people do) then we would say that the sushumna goes through the ajna, and it is the Brahman nadi rising up within the sushumna which goes out through the crown.
With root to brow spinal breathing pranayama, it doesn’t make a lot of difference what we call the sushumna, as the practice is to trace the silver thread between the root chakra and the brow chakra following the breath.
The sushumna and the ajna chakra are the gateway to Christ consciousness. The crown chakra and the Brahma nadi are the gateway to Cosmic consciousness and nirvikalpa samadhi. The amrita nadi is the gateway to the sacred heart, and the culmination of our Yoga.
Christi

Hi Manigma,
Yogani gives a description of this process of entering the sacred heart in the main lessons:
“So the heart is opening all the time, along with the rest of the nervous system. Then ecstatic conductivity begins to rise and we are melting in love inside in the face of so much ecstasy and rising inner sensuality – more heart opening. Finally, when shiva (silence) and shakti (ecstasy) are merging and we finally go directly to the crown, then it all pours down and the heart goes all the way into overflowing pure divine love. Maybe that last step is what is meant by “the heart is last to open.” But the truth is, yoga begins with the heart, the heart is opening every step of the way, and it ends with the heart, as we finally become an expression of divine love on earth.”
http://www.aypsite.org/201.html
In AYP of course, the chakra system is not considered to be an arbitrary and unnecessary system underlying the various bodies. It is seen as our gateway to the divine. It may be true that ultimately it is transcended, but without it, even Adi Da would not have entered the experience of the sacred heart.
Christi

TI,
You may enjoy reading ‘The Building of the Antakarana and Rainbow Bridge’ by Joshua David Stone which provides information and similar perspective as theosophy and the Alice Baily writings on the sushumna, antakarana and sutratma, their building and relationships.
www.lilyandbeyond.org-a.googlepages.com/JDStone.pdf
Steve

Hi Christi :slight_smile:

OH NO! I certainly appreciate it! I wasn’t even aware that there was an amrita nadi but the thing that made me wonder was that the amrita nadi is supposed to curve in an ‘S’ type of shape and what I can see now is absolutely straight up and down.

Thank you for reaffirming that. Isn’t the amrita channel the one that is viewed as the nectar of the Gods, that which grants immortality and is like the river of life? Isn’t it amazing how the heart seems to be the center of everything? In this new book that I have from Richard Bartlett, called “The Physics of Miracles” he says that the most important thing, the thing that is key to producing all the miracles is the dropping down into the heart space to gain access to the Matrix.

There is no more silver thread to trace. Just this hollow tube of light that is about 1 foot wide now so I send my attention up and down that. It is very funny, but reality or planes of consciousness seem to be in the slices of visions in between the two holes at the top and the bottom, where the chakras should be.

Sometimes I wonder if Christ Consciousness is to be taken literally.
I just have to say! Jesus visited me on Christmas eve! He was dressed all in his red robes and he was looking quite majestic and powerful, in exquisite detail. He stayed for quite a while (over 10 minutes). He appeared to me before my afternoon meditation and it took me by surprise. I didn’t know what to say… so I didn’t say anything except “I love you”. Then I had the distinct impression that he was granting me another step up the golden ladder as a Christmas gift but that I wouldn’t understand or realize it for a while, for maybe three weeks… Just having him visit me unannounced in full dress and splendour was gift enough! What a wonderful Christmas!
My meditations have taken a real twist. They are so deep now that it is like entering a different plane. It feels like I’m in a whole different universe, one that is silent and very far away from this reality. At one point, during yesterday’s afternoon meditation, my awareness came back to the body for a few seconds and I noticed that I was no longer breathing and when I noticed that, I really didn’t care. It was as though the cartoon world where those kind of things matter had finally left me. It is kind of hard to explain. It’s kind of like knowing that this reality is a noisy dream and that I now have a way out of it.
What I am doing for my meditation is saying “AYAM”, treating it with the meaning and intent like it is the name of God and then holding it in my awareness as a visual word next to the clump of multi-colored light that seems to contain all realities inside it, inside the cave in the center of my head, or more towards the top. I hold this vision in my awareness like you are holding a thought in mind, like you can taste it and examine it. When it finally dissolves, or a strong thought overpowers me, I repeat the mantra and do that over again. Then, I’m gone… :slight_smile:

This is interesting. You know, up until a few days ago, I had always read that the heart was the final resting place of kundalini. (Ramana, Yogani…) However, Gurudeva does write that you have a choice of where kundalini, once taken above the crown, will come back to reside.
He says:
link: http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/books/mws/mws_ch-49.html

This is the only other time I have found an elaboration on the ‘final resting place of kundalini’. “Where ever it is warm”… I guess if I had a choice between forty-below (like it was here a few weeks ago) and the bahamas I’d choose the bahamas too!
I guess that is why Gurudeva lived in Kauai. :slight_smile: Is that why he looks so happy? (He is on the left, with the long white beard… a couple of happy monks, eh? )
http://www.himalayanacademy.com/
:slight_smile:
TI

Hey Steve :slight_smile:
Thanks for that link.
It was interesting to read this:

You know, Richard Bartlett talks about how to build psychic abilities by first imagining them, working with them and building them until finally the real thing manifests too. This is in the “The Physics of Miracles” book. I had no idea that you could build these things, I always thought that they existed in reality and one just had to tap into them. It certainly is a new perspective and it could be valid and very helpful for someone who wished to develop abilities.
The other point of view is that we are a conglomerate of unity consciousness and we have created these thought forms and as such, anybody can tie into them and then use them. Perhaps by reading about other people’s experiencing and ‘believing’ them, that is precisely what we are doing…
Personally, I like the aspect of discovering new and exciting things as if they exist in reality and have existed without unity consciousness creating them as group thought forms. However, the understanding of quantum physics, thought forms and reality is beyond my understanding at this time.
Thanks for the insight.
:slight_smile:
TI

Hi TI,

I have never noticed the amrita nadi having an “s” shaped curve, but then, I have never seen it too clearly. But other aspects of your description would point to the Brahman nadi, including the rays of light curving outwards in different directions from the crown.

The silver thread is a hollow tube of light! How big it looks depends on whether you are on the inside, or the outside (as you have noticed), and on how expanded it has become, as Carson mentioned above.

That’s beautiful that you were visited by Jesus. As I understand it though, Christ consciousness is when we attain the Christed state, as Jesus did. It is about bringing the light of heaven to earth and transforming the light of this world into the light of the higher worlds.
Yogani mentions it here:
“Enlightenment is not about running off to heaven and leaving an unpurified nervous system behind that we will have to come back to and finish later in another life. It is about doing the work of completely purifying the nervous system. Then we have it all, become it all, heaven, earth, the cosmos, LA, everything. Then we become an expression of heaven on earth, and can do much for others who are expressions of heaven also, just needing a good housecleaning to realize it. So, it is not about going off into the star. It is about bringing the star in here, into the earth plane. That we do by purifying and opening the nervous system.”
http://www.aypsite.org/92.html

I think Gurudeva is talking about an earlier stage of the process of kundalini here. It can happen that kundalini rises to pierce the crown chakra, and then returns to a lower chakra. From there, with continued spiritual practice it will rise again through the chakras until it resides at the crown chakra. This is often held to be the final resting place of kundalini and the highest goal in Yoga. The melting into the heart is, I believe, a stage beyond that.
Christi

Hi TI,
I can’t help but smile every time I see that picture :grin:
BTW, I want to thank you for all the Gurudeva quotes you’ve been posting lately. His writings resonate with me, so I’ve been following the daily lessons for a few weeks. That website has a great collection of writings.
Thanks!
With Love
cosmic

Hi Manigma :slight_smile:
Thank you for posting this. That link is a good one, lots of information there.
I think I can identify with what he says because when I am in the ‘tunnel or tube’ I notice a number of things now: For one, there is no more ecstatic conductivity or physical sensations of any kind. I can’t even find the perineum unless I pull myself out and adopt the conventional point of view…
There doesn’t seem to be any prana following my attention up and down anymore. There is no resistance in there, it kind of feels like you are in a vacuum of sorts surrounded by an even larger vacuum. It also feels like the body and all the coarser substances are gone. It is like floating in space in a jelly fish body of light or long magnetic tube with light shows on the inside between the ends. I also seem to stop or don’t go any further than the ends where it opens up into space. Every time I get close to the ends, I feel this kind of rollercoaster sensation that might even be fear but I don’t feel afraid. It is more like my jelly fish has it’s own gravity and it keeps “me” in. Actually, I haven’t tried catapulting myself out in space from there. Hmmm. Might be something to try…
Thanks again for your input. :slight_smile:
TI

[quote=“cosmic”]

For many reasons, that one statement resonates with me on so many levels. For one, Spinal Breathing (slowing the breath and tracing the routes with attention) would not only serve to clear the channels, it would also serve to make the ida and pingala currents stronger. This makes sense to me. Purification, as Yogani calls it, would make those channels stronger and more powerful.
And again, the idea that “when the ida and pingala are balanced and powerful enough, the ajna (third eye) opens” is a type of confirmation of the procedural steps in opening. It also shows the importance of having the ajna active in order to arouse the kundalini.
:slight_smile:
TI

Hi TI,
You may find this lesson of interest:
http://www.aypsite.org/90.html
Yogani discusses some of the aspects of the sushumna that you have brought up here, including the expansion aspect, and also the relationship between the purification of the sushumna and the ida and pingala nadis.
Christi

Hi Christi, :slight_smile:
That lesson is quite interesting to me, and it certainly does describe the expansion of the sushumna. So I guess I’ve reached a milestone… Do I sound disconcerted? Well, it’s taking a while to get used to having so much “space” during practices…
But now I have all sorts of questions… It seems that Yogani’s method/teachings is to awaken the sushumna first and as the sushumna expands it then awakens the psychic/etheric counterpart of the ida and pingala. Hmm… I wonder what the difference is between an active ida and pingala in the physical body and the kundalini-activated ida and pingala.
So now, the questions. The first one that comes to mind is that I have read in many places that the activation of the sushumna comes about by balancing or collapsing the ida and pingala channels first. This is seen on many youtube videos, at the swamij website http://www.swamij.com/kundalini-awakening-4.htm and in many other books and teachings.
So, is Yogani’s order of awakening opposite to these systems?
Now, meaning no disrepect to Yogani, he does say that

This is somewhat disconcerting to me. I would have expected a congruence and cohesiveness in ‘methodologies to awaken kundalini’ as well as the effects of an active sushumna. Further, I thought it was ida and pingala that were creating the knots around the sushumna, so how could the sushumna become clear without first untying the knots by working with ida and pingala?
Even most buddhist meditation manuals talk about bringing the winds into the central channel to dissolve them and stop the corresponding mind components, but ida and pingala (left and right channels) are restricting the vertical flow.
link: http://www.snowlionpub.com/pages/N79_4.html

If the winds are dissolved in the central channel, how can they be circulating in ida and pingala as Yogani describes?
link: Lesson 90 : http://www.aypsite.org/90.html

Further, it seems to be a common idea that balancing the in-breath and the out breath are key to balancing ida and pingala, thereby loosening the knots that they form around the central channel:
link: http://www.snowlionpub.com/pages/N79_4.html

Point noted: This expansion of the central channel did not start to occur for me until I started practicing a breathing routine of 1-9-1-9 during spinal breathing so I’m tending to believe that strictly regulated breath control is definately intrinsic to central channel/sushumna expansion.
But that said, you know, I really don’t know if the expansion of the sushumna is a cumulative effect, or whether or not it has something to do with my sending prana from the lower tan tien to the perineum and then up the spine (because that really enhances the ecstatic conductivity) or just what has taken place. I do know that I’ve been practicing spinal breathing for 2 1/2 years now…
I do believe that Yogani has simplified some practices to enable the general population of the bell curve to be able to gain a solid foundation in the practices of yoga and I hope that these simplifications have a positive effect.
But I must admit, whenever I learn about or read about controlling the breath during meditation, I’m kind of at a loss. Is it true that, as Yogani states, it is easier to go deeper if you don’t try to control the breathing? I can see that, from Yogani’s point of view, if you do not perform breath control, there is little chance of mingling kundalini with deep meditation. Perhaps that is an aid to establishing deep silence without the interference of kundalini rising?
It makes me wonder. For example, Mark Griffin’s meditations all start with “Starting the deep bellows breath breathing style” and continuing throughout the meditation. And, some of Gurudeva’s meditations consist of sitting in full lotus, starting up the 1-9-1-9 breathing cycle and then listening to the nada in both ears… The book called “The Complete Yoga Book” by James Hewitt (which I’ve owned since 1972) states that

It also says

Again, you have the idea that the in breath and out breath are ‘equalized’. Is this not the equalization of ida and pingala which in turns loosens the knots?
So I’m at a loss…
Mind you, I have also read that sometimes when kundalini is activated, it rises up and pierces it’s way through the knots. So perhaps there is no ‘one truth’ or one commonly accepted procedure. It’s like I’ve learned, you can find anything you’d like to hear somewhere on the internet. I guess that’s one danger of the information age… :slight_smile:
It would be nice to see Yogani’s sources. Like I said in a previous post, I’ve ordered Norman Paulsen’s “Sacred Science” (as well as his “Christ Consciousness”) in order to gain a deeper understanding of the mechanisms of Spinal Breathing and the rising of the kundalini.
It would also be interesting to hear about what a kundalini-active ida and pingala can be used for. Perhaps that is how Shri Dhyanyogi Madhusudandasji controlled his body temperatures… ::???
Might be really nice to know, especially when it’s forty below…
Thanks for pointing out that lesson.
:slight_smile:
TI

This is the easiest way to keep yourself warm, my body does this automatically when it feels cold during meditation. Especially when I walk bare foot on chilled marble floor.
Raise your chest and join your hands in front. See pictures below (Namaste/Namaskar):
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2379/2102587986_fb6d91c823.jpg
http://www.atv.ca/images/shows-london-wingham-windsor/namaste_lrg.jpg
Both palms heat up and the warmth is spread in the whole body within seconds.
I have long given up on understanding the inner functions and terminology. But I can see you will be ready to write a book soon.
Seeking knowledge, understanding functions are good for the mind but sometimes become hindrance on the path. Doesn’t matter in the end anyway. :slight_smile:
Things WILL unfold when one deserves them and on the right time. When Kundalini is awake, it can not be stopped from further progress, no matter what the mind chatters all the time. Kundalini works in the backgriound all the time.

Hi TI,
One way of thinking about the energy body (or the subtle nervous system) is as a body of divine light. The nadis are channels of divine light and the chakras are places where those channels cross each other. The energy body has certain features and characteristics and behaves in certain ways. Balancing the energy flows in the right and left nostrils will bring kundalini into the central channel. This happens because the energy flows are balanced in the ida and pingala nadis.
But purifying the sushumna nadi directly will also cause kundalini to flow into the central channel. When this happens the knots are loosened and the other nadis are illuminated from within.
So both schools of thought are right, they are just coming at the same end goal from different directions.
Balancing the ida and pingala nadis is not the same as awakening them. They will not be awakened until kundalini has entered the central channel and is radiating outwards from there as divine ecstasy. This is more of an effect of spiritual practice rather than a cause.
In my experience the balancing of the ida and pingala nadis is not the same as balancing the in-breath and the out-breath.
So really the whole process of spinal breathing pranayama boils down to ecstasy, because it is expanding ecstasy, which takes us onward towards our divine destiny. This would be my criteria for assessing if I am on the right track or not.

Yogani once said that if you want to understand the sources of AYP then it is found in the Secrets of Wilder book.
All the best.
Christi