Hi everyone,
a couple of months ago I learned about a type of orgasm blocking, different from the manual method discussed in the AYP writings. (Or at least as far as I know.) It is executed just by strongly contracting the pelvic floor (mulabandha) during the orgasm. That means not using hands to block anything. I began to practice this during masturbation and after some time it actually started to work. With a strong contraction I am now able to keep all the semen inside, not loosing a drop. The genital orgasm (the feeling as I’ve known it) then happens only partially, to a relatively low degree. In the following, say, 10 to 15 seconds the pelvic contraction still needs to bee held strongly, because the energy kind of tries to escape the body (or that’s my impression of it). If I give up too soon, I loose the semen. During those 10 to 15 seconds I try to use my breath to distribute the energy upwards and throughout my body, and also pushing the energy symbolically with my hands upward seems to help in some way. After that the energy kind of slowly dissolves in my whole body, without producing any particularly ecstatic feelings, but it definitely is rejuvenating. The interesting thing is that after this kind of orgasm I either do not loose erection at all or I can practically immediately gain new erection as well as arousal (Which, If I understand right Yogani’s handbook Tantra, is not the case with manual blocking…(?). It was quite a surprise for me that this way I’ve been able to reach multiple orgasms (the blocked ones). I also noticed that if I do this before going to bed, the arousal remains in my body and I dream erotic dreams all night or the energy even waked me up a couple of times. Nevertheless, I recently decided to practice only pre-orgasmically.
So, since all this is more or less trial and error learning, many questions arise… How does this technique fit into the AYP system? How about prana loss in this case? Why do I not find any comments on this in the AYP writings? Am I doing everything right? Is it safe? What is the role of the breath here? et cetera…et cetera…
Will be glad for any comments,
Roman
Hi 
my experience pretty much exactly matches yours. The AYP blocking technique is a beginning and it can evolve in it’s own way. The goal though is to stay in front of any kind of climax. In my experience, any climax drains energy, if only a little, even the ones where erection is not lost and you can have multiple orgasms.
Initially, with the manual blocking technique (using fingers) semen is redirected into the bladder where it can be reabsorbed or gets out with urine. Energy loss is still there, but it’s a training
As for the breath, if it helps draw up energy, it’s ok to use it.
I’ve been using the technique you describe (strong contraction) for more than 2 years and there were no problems so far.
Take care 
build pressure in the body, that follows the path of breathe, and your technique will go from plickity plow, plickity plow, to wa blam!
Hari OM
Hi everybody
That was a great Idea do u feel that it will also work in an intercourse
Jai sri Krishna
what was the source of this technique?
Hi Everyone,
first of all, thanx a lot for your comments! As for yours, Tadeas, great hints and thanks for sharing experience - i feel much more comfortable now.
Several further questions on this topic popped up in my mind during last days. I will post them as soon as I’ll have more than just a few minutes and will be looking forward to see your thoughts. I intend also to write about the source I learned this technique from.
As to your question, santha, I’m not 100 percent sure that it will work with a partner, since I’m currently single. But, I believe that it will work. The action of strongly contracting the pelvic floor is as straightforward as contracting a fist. Once you have built up sufficient strength of the pelvic muscles it should work whenever you want. Thats how I feel about it.
See Ya’
Roman
Yes, it does work well with a partner, during intercourse, IF you can do it and keep it up–which may not be all that easy a feat when you are making love–one sort of can get distracted from your intentions during lovemaking…
Michael
It works with a partner, but it may be a little harder to control and you may have to “hold it” a little longer, especially if you are making love to The Goddess and you are really aroused, but it will work. Sorry for the run-on sentence. 
Love,
Carson 
Hi fellow yogis and yoginis 
so, the source of this technique for me was the book “The Way of the Superior Man” by David Deida. I wouldn’t particularly recommend it, well, I kind of missed sensitivity to the reader, or greater empathy. But I found a handful of good information in it. He’s got quite some videos from his lectures on the web so check it out, if you feel like it, and let me know…
Here an excerpt:
There is a specific exercise you can perform throughout sex and also during the approach to orgasm. By doing this exercise you will convert the direction of the orgasm, so instead ejaculating out your penis, you will “ejaculate” up your spine, experiencing intense bodily bliss and emotional openness, far beyond the quick pleasure and depleted peace following an ejaculative orgasm.
To practice this exercise, you must learn to consciously contract the muscles of the floor of your pelvis. This area includes your genitals, anus, and perineum, which is the space between your anus and genitals. … In addition to contracting the floor of your pelvis, practice pulling it upward into your body and toward your spine. This upward pull will actually lift your scrotum slightly up toward your body. …
While you are having sex, but before you are close to ejaculating, practice contracting your pelvic floor as just discussed. While you contract it and pull upward, breathe the energy up your spine. You will have to experiment to determine whether to inhale or to exhale the energy up your spine, although most people find that exhaling up the spine works best. If you combine the upward contraction of your pelvic floor with breathing up your spine, you should loose just a little bit of your erection as well as the need to ejaculate. As you continue making love, repeat this exercise as often as you need to in order to maintain relaxation and openness.
Even while practicing this technique, you may notice that you occasionally come very close to orgasm. At this point, stop moving, apply the upward contraction of your pelvic floor, and breathe the orgasm energy up your spine. In addition to the upward contraction of your pelvic floor while breathing up the spine, some men find it helpful to clench their fists and teeth while looking upward with their eyes, especially when the urge toward ejaculation is particularly strong. With practice, however, all the muscular action becomes very subtle and gentle, until the entire exercise is done primarily through your breath, feeling, and intention.
Well, I’m exploring this technique for a couple of months now and I feel that some progress is definitely happening.
What is interesting to me is Deidas emphasis on breath:
Therefore, if you have not breathed fully during the day, by the time you approach your sexual partner you will be filled with fantasies and ejaculative urge. So, a large part of avoiding premature ejaculation is to breathe fully, deeply, and with great force, throughout the day. …
… Sex intensifies the life force in your body. As you become more and more stimulated, your breath quickens and your body begins to writhe with energy, which tends to become focused in the genital region. Unless you are careful to move this energy with your breath, it will build up in your genitals and cause a pressure that wants to be released through ejaculation.
Take care,
Roman
Hi everyone,
does anyone have an idea what happens with the semen when the pelvic contraction is used? I think I never had any of it in urine.
Thanks,
Roman
Interesting, I have had all the same experiences described in the first post as well with a partner and solo. I may try exploring down this lane again. Thanks for the info.
Hi Roman,
In my experience the pelvic contraction works in the same way as blocking using the fingers. The semen is still diverted into the bladder, and there is still some energy loss.
If you can it is best to avoid orgasm altogether, simply staying in front of ejaculation, even if you are with the Godess.
Christi
Christi, that’s not the only thing that can happen. If you either totally relax during orgasm or contract the pelvic floor strongly in the right spot, there is no secretion of semen. This means there are not any orgasmic contractions in the process, and there also doesn’t have to be any loss of energy. There is a lot of things and various combinations of them that can happen But I agree it’s best to stay preorgasmic
Hi Christi, thanks for sharing experience. I my case it happens as Tadeas describes. No orgasmic contractions, no semen anywhere.
Hi,
is the technique I describe in the initial post called “mechanical vajroli” in AYP?
thanks,
Roman
Hi there,
I decided to post again in this thread, having experienced a great and beautiful success just about two hours ago. What I’m gonna suggest here is closely related to the other post I’m making today in this section.
I’d like to dedicate this post especially to those men here, who have been struggling with the hurtful situation of not being able to satisfy their women sexually, because having little control over their ejaculation. I’m one of these men.
I’d really like to encourage you all once again to exercise and strengthen the power of your pelvic floor. It’s gonna turn out to be of good benefit for you, and the beautiful woman you’re in love with. It’s not so hard to achieve the ability to block your orgasm with a strong pelvic contraction, and it enables you to go further then with simple manual blocking. I myself practiced this kind of blocking during masturbation for not more than three months, till I’ve been able to actually block the orgasm for the first time. It was pure joy! A real victory! It is absolutely possible and doable. Practice mulabandha during standing asanas, take pilates lessons (it’s perfect for bringing awareness to the deep abdominal and pelvic muscles, strengthening them and learning to control them - and it’s great fun too), practice the blocking itself, do whatever it takes.
Once you learn to block your orgasm well with mulabandha, you’ll be able to save most of your prana, even despite the orgasm. If you build up some sexual energy first, a well mulabandha-blocked orgasm will enable you to stay with your woman even after it for a long time. After such an orgasm, much of the urge for ejaculation disappears, but you won’t loose erection, or only a little. Then you can go on, and begin to build up new energy, but everything will now take longer. So you can continue to serve your woman, and in turn to serve yourself as well, right?
I certainly do not recommend here to get obsessed with this technique, nor do I say that it is an End of it self. But at a certain stage or situation, when used skillfully, it can save you LOTS of worry.
Roman
I arrived at this same technique through intuition only without the breathing and find it to be much more effective than the AYP “holdback” method by itself.
@mimirom: There is no need to have an orgasm at all, just practice mulabandha and the pulling up of the pelvis towards the spine during intercourse and it will keep orgasm away and energise your whole body. My sleep has been reduced to like 3 hours and I’m running around like crazy throughout the whole day…
Great you reported back Roman. Funny coincidence as I was thinking of writing back in this thread to learn more about this.
I don’t have much time now but will write back to learn more. In particular I don’t know exactly how to “streghten the pelvic floor”. Is this mulabandha? So, when the orgasm is about to arrive we do mulabandha to strenghten the pelvic floor and bring the fluids up? I find it difficult to do when I am aroused (easier if not aroused). When aroused it seems the force I try to apply there goes to my penis thus having the opposite effect - more arousal and closer to orgasm! I guess it is a matter of training (where to apply the pressure) but maybe you have some more hints on how to practice this more effectively? And another thing - any general pilates class will help or only specific exercises?
Thanks so much! Great technique!
Hi Chiron,
Sounds great that you mastered the technique and all but what you say above does not seem so healthy…how do you cope? That ammount of energy running around your body is it not too much? I think our body needs a good night sleep and rest. Maybe it will smooth out in time?
Hi Roman,
Are the muscles that one contracts to stop ejaculation the same ones used if one holds ones pee when peeing? It seems to be, no? To know that makes it easier to understand how to do it, and how to exercise those muscles.