Hello Etherfish,
My problem could not be covered by any other person
who has equal power of the black magician. Because,he is doing all
by sending or giving command to my inner mind. I am not able to
stop it anyway. It is my badluck.
I know the person who is doing it. He is expert in these things.
He is sending too strong thought to me.
It is happening from 3 years. I still have not get any solutions.
Thank you for your idea.
Hi all,
I am not able to read all posts here, so sorry if it’s repetitive of what the others have said.
It’s really bad that “black magic” has such a huge influence, always a bad one; and yet people who are more rational seldom bother to come up and try to dismiss such kind of nonsense.
Yes, black magic works, but I agree with David that it’s mainly due to placebo effect. The placebo effect are strengthened by its long history. So partly of its effects are cultural. For some people it’s just a background of their minds. Try picking any serious natural scientists and curse him. If you can’t find one, try cursing a baby or foreigners who don’t know what they are talking about. It won’t work.
Yes, we all have ups and downs in our life and our health, whether you are cursed or not. But many people tend to attribute both their fortune or/and their bad health to black magic, astrology, …
Tell people a different versions of “Black Magic” since they are young, and the “rules” of Black Magic changed. We tend to find occasions that verify our beliefs and forget all the exceptions.
Renukaprasad, what you really need seems to be some care from the others. If you have problems in your body, clear your mind about anything like black magic. If there are still some problems, find its true causes and work on it. No one is completely healthy.
Alvin
To david/ meg It is not due to i am thinking that somebody
trying black magic to me. I have a strong heart.
But it is true thing that i have to belive it after its abnormal symptoms. Its bcoz i have gone to many doctors for the body problem.
Thank you for your suggetions.
In waiting of everybody’s reply yours Renukaprasad
Thank you shanti for your suggetions
I am getting courage here by you
I will try my best thank you all and everybody’s reply to me.
Victor/Louis i have cought by a person who jelous
me a lot. I dont know why he jelous me. But i know
about his bussiness, he uses a black magic first and he is popular
to cure from it here, then he uses his power to cure that one victim & get too much money from them. Means attack and defence both thing made by him
And a victim of black magic say thank you for his help and give him money bcoz he think that this person solves his problem.
He remain unknown to the fact that he has created and solved his problem and earned money from him.
Renukaprasad wrote:
“My problem could not be covered by any other person
who has equal power of the black magician. Because,he is doing all
by sending or giving command to my inner mind. I am not able to
stop it anyway. It is my badluck.
I know the person who is doing it. He is expert in these things.
He is sending too strong thought to me.”
That’s exactly the kind of thing that can be solved by another magician. They can either protect you from receiving the bad energy, or send equally bad energy back to him.
Hi Renukaprasad,
If you are convinced that someone is harming you, please listen to what Ether is telling you…
If you do not know anyone who can do this… contact Dave (riptiz) he may be able to send you some positive energy to overcome this negative energy
You have to take the first step my dear. No one can help you if you don’t. Remember, as long as you sit back and agree to be a victim, there is no power that can protect you. You have to decide on your own, in your heart that you will not be a victim any more… then people can help you and most important, you can help yourself.
I know I am out of my league here when it comes to black magic. but coming from India… I have seen a lot of this black magic stuff. A lot of it is self induced… as Meg said… fear… but there are some really dark sages… tantrics… that have been said to cause harm to people. It is really stuff I don’t understand and don’t want to understand… But I think, if you are ready to fight this off… you can do it… with help if required… but the first decision has to be yours… the first step you have to take… the whole world will be there to help you… but only when you are ready to ask and accept help.
Sorry if I sound rude, I know you are in a bad situation, and hearing this may not be the easiest thing to accept… but this is the fact you need to realize. Wake up… do something for yourself… decide that you will not be a victim any more and get some help if required.
Hi All,
I don’t think one should dismiss BM as phooey. If so then we may as well say the shakti does not exist as there is no scientific proof.When one starts in chi gung you are taught to visualise the energy running through the body and eventually you can feel it.Is this self induced hypnosis? Anyone who believes it is absolute rubbish may want to volunteer to be a test case and allow others on here to use them to prove or disprove BM.Any takers?
L&L
Dave
‘the mind can see further than the eyes’
http://cdbaby.com/cd/omdasji
http://dhyanyogi.omdasji.googlepages.com/home
Dave,
Lets not make this personal. Every one has a right to their opinion. When someone asks for help in an open forum, they are going to get both sides of the story. In an open forum, you learn to accept what you want and believe… reject what you dont like.
Please lets not get into “Anyone who believes it is absolute rubbish may want to volunteer to be a test case and allow others on here to use them to prove or disprove BM.Any takers?”
Sorry if I sound curt. Lets just try and help Renukaprasad, and let him decide who he wants to believe and who he wants to dismiss.
-Shweta.
Shanti wrote:
Shanti, you are too nice. But franky I really don’t mind to be a volunteer on this. In fact that’s what I intended to say, just didn’t since I don’t want to sound rude.
By the way, before anyone would try to test anything in a distance on me, let me tell you guys that I had many ocassions where someone challenges me in such ways. Stuffs like Astrology, Black Magic, curse, …
The results? I always appeared happily before them after a disaster that never occured, and asked them to use statistical methods (which, by the way, they never understand) before they claim anything in the future.
When I look back, I think everyone involved is too childish–including me. Why bother to challenge them when I already know what would happen? Black Magic is nonsense for me, but why do I have to convince them?
And yet, if you would like to, I could be the volunteer. One condition, however: specify what you are going to “curse” first. Otherwise you could attribute everything to your black magic. You know, I have cursed myself that I will die in 90 years. And I truly believe it will happen. 
Hi All:
“Choice” is the key word in all of this – what we choose for ourselves.
What do we do when we find ourselves in a situation we’d rather not be in? Do we stay and try to work it out, try and fight off whatever we think is after us, or do we just let it go and move on?
Of course, every situation is different. Often times, working things out or fighting things off can lead to endless complexity and entanglement. Maybe it is worth it if a loved one, dear friend, or our livelihood is at stake. It may be our karma to be in a hazardous environment long term for the sake of the greater good, or at least what we conceive that to be.
On the other hand, there will be times (lots of times) when ignorant forces accost us. Should we bargain with them, marshal an army of ideas and assistants to fend them off, or do we just hang up the phone when that pointless invasion of our life comes?
I mean, the kind of invasion being discussed here is pointless, isn’t it? Why give it the time of day? Maybe we should delete this whole topic and be done with it. Poof! Gone.
I once had a powerful guru, or, rather, he thought he had me. It turned out his teachings, on balance, were not consistent with my beliefs or needs, so I decided to disassociate, to step back. But he refused, and cast one of those “You are mine forever!” spells on me. So, over the next year or so, I managed to ignore him, moving on to other things, and in the end he left me alone. He has since passed away. Now I can remember him fondly, and some of his teachings have been a help to AYP, while the rest have been let go.
The point of the story is that if we choose to let something go, and are willing to be consistent in our intention, we can do it. It may take some time for all the psychic hooks to be dissolved, but it can be done, and it is a guarantee of no further hooks, because we have developed the habit of having no attachment.
It is a lot like meditation. In fact, deep meditation builds our ability to let go of negative influences all around, because we learn to let go procedurally in favor of something much more life-supporting and joyful within us – inner silence/pure bliss consciousness. As mentioned by others in this topic, meditation gradually builds our sense of self beyond all the ups and downs of life. Beyond all the ups and downs.
I know it may be hard to imagine ignoring something like an “evil spell.” Yet, it is our attention that makes it stronger. It is like the religious sects that fear the devil so much that the devil becomes their religion. Why is it so hard to see that we can simply walk away and disassociate ourselves from such foolish things?
Well, it will be good to meditate twice daily and work on that over the long haul, along with all the rest we are doing to improve the quality and depth of our life. Fighting devils, demons and evil spells makes for great drama, but doesn’t contribute much to our spiritual growth.
Keep in mind that the poisonous snake on the ground there is not a snake at all, only a rope that we have mistakenly identified as a snake, and chosen to make a big drama of.
Suggestion: Favor the practice (the yoga one) over the scenery, no matter how good or bad that scenery is. It is your choice to make…
Just some food for thought.
The guru is in you.
Dave - the difference between Shakti and black magic is tremendous. One is life energy and provides us with spiritual growth; the other is negative energy with destructive intention behind it. One emanates from the source of all creation; the other emanates from ego, selfishness, jealousy, etc. It’s the difference between the ego and the Self - one is a drop in the ocean, and the other is the ocean itself.
The jealous person who Renu believes has infected him is pushing his weight around like a tortured teenager with a raging ego. His power lies in the unfortunate fact that Renu believes in his power over him. I’m sorry if this is offensive, Renu, but please know that we all care for your well-being, or else we wouldn’t be spending so much time with this. The sooner that you can detach from this person in your mind, the sooner he will lose his power over you. Darkness cannot penetrate the light, so the more light you can bring to your mind, the sooner you’ll find peace. You can find someone to do it for you, like Ether has suggested, but that too will be a placebo. The best way to find peace within is to open up to healing, light, and love, and then this guy will have no power over you whatsoever.
Will I offer myself up as a guinea pig? No, b’c to do so would be to acknowledge and tempt their powers, which is would be foolhardy indeed. Neither would I run headlong into a busy intersection, believing myself to be invincible b’c I’m a child of the light. I don’t believe that BM is ‘phooey’ - as I said in my earlier post, I’m sure that it is experienced by other practitioners of BM. I simply think that it’s not effective on people who give it no power in their lives. In a world of infinite beauty and grace which emanates from an eternal source of love, it is highly unlikely that those who are connected to that source are susceptible to getting sucked into a vortex of darkness and despair, simply because some jealous high priest or little brat decides to blast him with BM skills. It just doesn’t make sense - intuitively, psychically, or scientifically.
Renu - try thinking about this guy differently, if you can. Keep telling yourself that his darkness is just a drop in an ocean of light, and that your mind is filled with this light. See if that helps any. If not, follow Ether’s advice.
Hi ,
It seems I touched a sore point here.Asking for a volunteer was tongue in cheek. The point I was trying to make was it is easy to dismiss things we don’t believe in just as easily as it is to try to convince others of things we believe in.Give me scientific proof validated by bonafide scientists that shakti exists(regardless of what type of energy it ‘is’). Who says it is life force, the scientists dismiss awakening as psycosis and don’t believe in any of the eastern mystics.It is only since Quantum physics arrived that they are looking more seriously.Look at quackwatch if you really want to read scepticism.I prefer to write about what I know from experiences and not hearsay else how could I believe that shakti was real.Reading books will give you plenty of knowledge but theory is no good on it’s own.Just because scientists have not proven something doesn’t mean they are correct.
L&L
Dave
‘the mind can see further than the eyes’
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http://dhyanyogi.omdasji.googlepages.com/home
Hey Dave - fwiw, you didn’t touch a sore point - I knew you had a smile on your face when you asked for a volunteer - it just gave me context to spout my opinions on the subject. Shakti shows up in some peoples’ lives who have never heard the word kundalini - who are completely ignorant on the subject. Here’s a tongue-in-cheek challenge for you (or anyone): Can you come up with a person who has suffered the ills of BM, who has had no prior knowledge or interest in the subject? If so, I may give it more credit. No promises.
Bravo to nearly everyone on the thread (including Scott, quoted below) for expressing their different beliefs without having to mix it with disrespect.
Scott said:
However, I’m not too quick to assume that people who find they’ve been cursed are stupid, or that they are causing it to happen to themselves. If bad things are happening to them, then that’s what’s actually happening, regardless of their mindset. If they don’t believe in the curse, but it seems to be happening to them, then it may have been a real curse! I mean, if we believe in Siddhis here why don’t we believe in the power to negatively effect someone’s life? To magically make things go horribly wrong for that person? It certainly is possible.
Well Scott, I’m certainly not calling any of them stupid. I believe what I do about black magic without being disrespectful of people who believe otherwise. Some years ago, I’d have been more inclined to believe in what we might call the ‘magic factor’ in black magic, but now I am more inclined to believe it is only placebo. Why would I disrespect people who believe in the magic? I don’t disrespect what I once was.
Even if I believe it is placebo-effect, I wouldn’t say they are ‘causing it to happen to themselves’ either. That language too strongly suggests agency and autonomy and consciousness, to be applicable, as I see it.
There are all sorts of angles you can come in with here. Louis, who does seem to believe in the magic factor, still believes that one of the best defenses against it is not believing in it.
Regarding the siddhis, I am a skeptic there too. But it doesn’t matter. There is actually plenty of scope for believing that miracles are possible, but curses do not really work. In fact, plenty of people do believe this way.
Yes, Dave was being jocular in looking for volunteers to have Black Magic practiced on them; but I would like to join Alvin in being a willing subject. Like Alvin, I would just like to stipulate that agreement be arrived on in just how I am going to get hurt, and over what period. We must advance a criterion for failure and success.
Just to clear up another point: if people self-report suffering from a black magic curse, their symptoms can be caused by any combination of the following:
(i) The placebo effect of the curse
(ii) The weegie-weegie power (magical power) of the person who is cursing them (I don’t believe that this is real myself)
(iii) Completely unrelated causes
This means that there is no simple conclusion to be made about the causes of their problems, regardless of what you believe in. So a person like me, who doesn’t believe in the weegie-weegie power does not necessarily believe that a person who is self-reporting problems from black magic is necessarily suffering only from placebo effect; they could just be ill for other reasons.
However, if there is negative placebo effect playing into the story, reversing it can help. This could be done by either learning to not believe in the bad witch-doctors evil weegie-weegie power, or alternatively believing in the good witch-doctor’s good ju-ju.
So, just as Louis, who does seem to believe in the magic, believes that not believing in it could sometimes be helpful to someone who thinks they are being cursed, I, who do not believe in it, believe that sometimes using the belief in it could be helpful (if the belief is turned around into a belief in someone elses good ju-ju power).
What if someone in a previous life had been a very well known black magician, and had caused great harm to hundreds of people, just because they believed he could do it? What do you think his karma would be in this life?
Whatever we believe will be true for us in the moment, but whether it is “the truth” or not is another question entirely.
The former is an easy seduction we are all prone to fall into. The latter is a much deeper question that transcends all beliefs, institutions and events, and our physical existence itself…
That’s what makes this existence so exciting and intriguing. The fact that it is an illusion, and the illusion is skewed by our perception of it. I went to school with a writer of “The Crow” screenplay. I love this kind of stuff. Of course I advocate meditation and communion with God to put us in a safe place, instead of being filled with fear when we see these things.
It makes great story material for God to watch:
Bruce Lee’s parents were superstitious. They first named Bruce with a girl’s name to confuse evil spirits who might try to kidnap him.
Years before his death his parents learned of a curse against the Lee
family and hired a chinese priest to get rid of the curse. He did all
kinds of magic around their house, and finished by hanging a metal
chinese symbol over their door, and said as long as the symbol stays upright, the Lee’s will be free of evil spirits. Shortly before Bruce Lee’s death, there was a violent windstorm that loosened the emblem and caused it to swing around and hang upside down. The Lee’s didn’t notice it until after Bruce’s death. He died of swelling of the brain, and no cause was found.
Years later when James O’Barr of Detroit was sixteen, he met the love of his life, and they planned to marry after graduation. But when she was two weeks shy of eighteen, she was struck and killed by a drunk driver, and O’Barr went into a tailspin of anger and poisoned soul. Writing “The Crow” comics was his therapy, the way he worked that poison out of his life. The curse of the Crow was that evil could be revenged even after the death of its victims.
The Crow comics became the basis for The Crow movie, starring Bruce Lee’s Son, Brandon.
The filming of the movie was filled with mishaps. A carpenter,
in a cherry picker, was electrocuted when his crane struck a high-power line. Though severely burned, he survived. A dissatisfied worker rammed his vehicle through the plaster shop, causing extensive damage that had to be fixed. Another worker stumbled and impaled a screwdriver through his hand. A stunt man fell
through the roof of one of the sets and broke several bones. The grip truck burst into flames, destroying much of the cab’s interior and equipment; and had to be replaced . And on and on…
When it came time for Brandon to play his death in the movie, he walked in on the set of a man raping his girlfriend, as written in the script. The man swung around and shot Brandon. Due to a low budget they used firearms from the pawn shop where they filmed some of the show.
The gun that was used had been shot before, but the charge was a dud. A bullet was lodged in the barrel.
When the firearms expert loaded the gun with blanks, he didn’t notice that the blank had a projectile ahead of it. Brandon’s death was played realistically, and the director didn’t notice until later that Brandon didn’t get up. They thought he was playing. There was very little blood, and only in the ER did they find that there was a bullet lodged against his spine. Had it been an inch to either side, he would have lived.
here’s how my mind played tricks with me on this subject:
here’s how I was helped out of a situation like that years ago when I believed in magic. i took a job where I was to be trained to manage a chain store. The training was to be two years, and if I did well I would get a store to manage. Halfway through the program, they sent in another management trainee to work with me. I was OK with sharing the job, alternating schedules, and we were assured we weren’t competing. But the other guy insisted on competition and backstabbing. I’m a passive guy, and I figured if they couldn’t see my abilities, then I would move on to someone who would. I just ignored the other guys games, and tried to be friends with him, which he constantly rebuked.
Then a strange thing happened. At night I felt strange things like pressure on my head, and would wake up thinking of him. There was a lot of stress in my love life at the time too that may have contributed. Finally one night I woke up violently, in a cold sweat, and in a lucid dream state.
I had been in that state many times before to astral project. But this time I had been dreaming that my competitor had injured me somehow near my navel, and on waking in the lucid state there
was a huge hole there and my energy was rushing out with the roar of a wind storm. I felt if it continued I would die. No matter how
I tried to cover the hole or roll over, nothing helped. I tried over and over to WILL it to stop, which seemed to have a cumulative effect, and suddenly it subsided and i went back to sleep.
The next day I found a dirty little piece of paper on the street with a printed ad for a gypsy who could “stop bad spells and curses”. I though it was BS, but because of the synchronicity, I went there.
She said “Where’d you get this, I haven’t had these for two years and I operate out of my office now.” She gave me some stuff to burn and mumbo jumbo to do around my house for three days. I thought
it was a total rip off. Nothing about her seemed powerful. I believed in magic, but thought it was inside us by stopping our thoughts, not by spells and candles.
But the next day things were completely different at work. The competitor said something happened in his personal life and he would have to drop out. He completely changed his personality, and was trying to be friendly and no sign of competition. I never had any night incidents again, and years later I saw him and he greeted me like a close friend.
It completely baffled me what had happened. i only went to the gypsy because of synchronicity, which I believed in, not her magic. Even when I did her mumbo jumbo around the house, I was just thinking
of not wasting my money, but I totally disbelieved that it would work. I felt ripped off. But it solved my problem. To this day I wonder what would have happened if I just threw the paper away.
He did all
kinds of magic around their house, and finished by hanging a metal
chinese symbol over their door, and said as long as the symbol stays upright, the Lee’s will be free of evil spirits. Shortly before Bruce Lee’s death, there was a violent windstorm that loosened the emblem and caused it to swing around and hang upside down. The Lee’s didn’t notice it until after Bruce’s death. He died of swelling of the brain, and no cause was found.
If this story is really true, one wonders why the highly superstitios family did not have the brains to nail the emblem to the wall in two places.
But superstitious people do so many things that there is almost always room for some sort of confirmation for them of their superstition. Superstitious people love confirmation of their superstitions. Magical beliefs can be a kind of addiction.