The illusory body in Tibetan Buddhism

hi Christi,
So what are you doing at the time that this has happened. I would assume one would need to be in deep samadhi for that to happen, but if not during meditation, then when?

Hi John,
There is a kind of samadhi called sahaja samadhi, or spontaneous samadhi. It can happen at any time, but at first it usually only happens when you are relaxed.

An angel once descended from above while I was meditating. The most beautiful being I ever saw. He was smiling and landed in front of me.
Then I heard a voice “angels and demons, heaven and hell, worlds upon worlds are created by Maya. Its a prison of dreams, of hopes and wishes, a beautiful trap that prevents you to wake up and see your true form.”
As soon as I heard it the angel turned into a dark terrifying beast and vanished.
I had no such visions again.
:grin:

Hi Christi,
I am aware of Sahaja Samadhi, but am interested to know if you are laying down when this happens. And if you remember the details of your foray into this other dimension. For myself, I practice yoga nidra, and during a survey of the energetic system utilizing bija mantras that exist at each chakric center, discover a dissolution of dual consciousness into the nondual, and in that state there is no separation nor any conceptual thought, and wise beings are within awareness often times, or the scenery indicates presence at some distant location, often in my locality, but I rarely recall the substance of the teachings that are given by these beings. This is not dreaming nor sleep, I am sure, due to the lucidity of these phenomena. That is the reason I have been pursuing more specific information from you, though your answers seem somehow vague.
J

Sahaja samadhi is the realization that everything is maya.

Hi John,
Yes, I am always lying down when this happens. I always remember every detail of what I see, hear and feel when in the illusory body and in the presence of higher beings.
If I seem vague, it is only because I don’t want to delve too far into a subject that can be a distraction on the path. It is beautiful scenery, but it is not the goal of yoga. The goal of yoga is liberation, which lies beyond the angels, archangels and ascended masters, beyond the illusory body and beyond all the different planes of being.
Don’t get distracted by all of these things. They are like toys in the kindergarden compared to the taste of true liberation.
Christi

Linking oneself to one of the higher planes and then achieving liberation there in the next life can also be a valid path.
Wish you would give us more indepth descriptions of your experiences because it is quite rare and very inspirational.

Hi Christi,
Yes, of course, not to get caught up in distractions. My interest is to discuss with you, my peer yogi, what is happening and so we can make some generalizations about these phenomena, that’s all. Not meaning to imply any teleological significance to this. It’s just that we are the same, and if the same phenomena occur to us both, that is some verification of a common sort.
J

Hi John and all,

Yes, I believe it is useful to know about these things, and to share knowledge about them. Firstly, as Chiron mentioned, it is inspirational, and secondly, it means that when we begin to experience them, it does not come as such a shock. But beyond that, it can be a danger, because these aspects of practice can (and often do) become sought after in themselves, and then spiritual practice becomes about seeking experiences, rather than about waking up from the process of seeking experiences.
So it is enough to know that these things exist and are possible and at some point become part of the spiritual life, and that they should not be sought after or dwelt upon.
As for attaining rebirth on a higher plane and then attaining liberation from there, the general wisdom is that even the angels have to take a human birth if they wish to become enlightened. Whether that is true or not, I have no idea. :slight_smile:
Christi

Have come across information which contradicts that common belief, in that its more likely for souls to jump only a few levels each birth instead of melting into nirvana straight from the human realm.
The higher and the subtler the plain, the more advanced the beings which populate it, with fewer limits, greater inherent perception and stronger energy level. So it makes sense that it would be easier for them to do spiritual practice and evolve into yet subtler planes… until there is nothing left to evolve :slight_smile:
This is not from experience, so don’t know either, just prana for thought :slight_smile:

So… next time you come across an angel or ascended master… ask them what they think about this hehehe

An enlightened being is not be seen in its form, voice or thoughts. An an enlightened being is not to be seen anywhere at all other than your eye of wisdom which is in you guru…