some observations !

here are some of the observations of my practice i want to share with you. and it may differ for others :slight_smile:
stage1: i start chanting the mantra, my mind gets clear from external thoughts, totally focusing on mantra and the main thing i feel is i have to feel the vibration of mantra in my body like a rythm.
stage2: i feel slight warm around my body and then a coolness around my body.
stage3: then inner silence starts and my head starts turning, i noticed that this turning depends upon the amount of activity on that day, less activity less turning. yesterdy i had almost 90 degree turn on the left hand side.
stage4: the energy body starts to coincide with physical body in a straight line, when this happens, i achieve complete inner silence and ecstasy and its fantastic, and slowly my body start losing the awareness only the consciousness left. and i feel like iam floating. at this stage i also heard the sound ā€œhissssā€ on the back of my head.
stage5: then starts the heaviness, my body gets much heavier and feel like body is expanded.
yesterday in this stage my consciousness automatically shifted to the centre of my head just behind the ajna chakra (cave of Brahma), and i really felt inside some cave totally black and getting condensed and iam not sure i was breathing or not, and it was really fantastic, also in this level i heard the sound ā€œoooooooooooooonnnā€ like ā€œOmā€ exactly on the top of my head, but like from a distance place. when i came out of meditation still i felt the pressure inside my head and also a mild head ache.
I didnā€™t know that ā€œMantra Meditationā€ has this much power :slight_smile:
Thanx
With Love and Respect
Kumar
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Wow Kumarā€¦ sounds like wonderful things are happening to you with your meditation. :slight_smile:
I just want to clarify one thingā€¦ and I think its more of a language thing than a problemā€¦ but in any caseā€¦
You saidā€¦
stage1: i start chanting the mantra,
When you say chantā€¦ you mean repeat it in your mindā€¦ not say it out aloud right?
Also, when you do start noticing all the wonderful thingsā€¦ treat them like distractions and come back to the mantraā€¦
And the last thingā€¦ when you start your meditationā€¦ donā€™t expect any of these things, rememberā€¦ your experiences during meditation will change over time. Meditation itself should be like brushing your teethā€¦ just do it every dayā€¦ twice a dayā€¦ its how this practice makes you feel in your daily activities is what the true measure of progressā€¦ :slight_smile:
I donā€™t mean to minimize your experienceā€¦ so please donā€™t get me wrong. All these wonderful experiences give us that push to keep goingā€¦ just donā€™t get hung up on themā€¦
Wish you all the bestā€¦ :slight_smile:

Hi Shanti
i mean to say that ā€œi chant mantra in my mind and not aloudā€
Thank you very much for your encouragement :slight_smile: , i will follow your advice when i do the meditation.
ā€œMeditation itself should be like brushing your teethā€¦ just do it every dayā€¦ twice a dayā€
This is very much true Shanti. because even if i miss a day of practice and among all the day of activities and work, next day getting the inner silence takes time.
Thanx
Kumar

Even before reading your comment Shanti, I was going to ask the same question.
Chanting for me means producing audible pysical sound.
So Kumar, please clarify this for us.
The topic of saying the mantra in oneā€™s mind versus saying it with
oneā€™s voice came up so many times, I really am wondering.
L&L
Wolfgang

Hi Wolfgang
I chant the Mantra ā€œinside my mindā€ and its described like that in ā€œAYP Mantra Meditationā€ Lesson
do you chant the Mantra verbally with ā€œPhysical Soundā€?
Thanx

it seems that these days i have to make ā€œSamyamaā€ on English Language :grin:

No, I donā€™t produce a physical sound (which I would call chanting),
but when I started with AYP it was one of my questions.
I understood (and understand) that the mantra should only be in the mind,
but I was curious what consequences it would have when I would
chant the mantra (making physical sound), and there are quite
a few posts around concerning the difference between those two
different practices.
L&L
Wolfgang

Hey, I just have to ask one thing that is slowly getting to meā€¦ I just have to thank you, Athma first, I totally recognize your description above of the different sensations and ā€œstagesā€.
And when you describe the ā€œblack caveā€, my mind twisted, and I went to look up in Yoganis lessons how he has described inner silenceā€¦ I have not understood the different ā€œdepthsā€ of inner silence. I thought it was the non-thinking state in a more general senseā€¦ but then I hit a sentence where he says that ā€œit has many namesā€¦ e.g the voidā€. And when I read Athmas post here, I was hit with amazement: IS INNER SILENCE = THE VOID? Holy moses!!!
Sooā€¦ hey, guysā€¦ Are you in the big darkness, the black void where everything is just love, everytime you meditate??? I have just not grasped that THAT is the inner silence that is talked about. I have just touched the void a few times and it was the most amazing, wonderful, total ā€œexperienceā€ I have ever BEENā€¦ Hmā€¦ This cannot be grasped with the mind - I know - but I just find it so surprisingā€¦
Sorry, but I feel I swing back and forth in my understanding/knowing of thisā€¦ anyone have any thoughts or comments, suggestions on other threads or lessons where I can read more? I will start plowing this part of the forumā€¦

IS INNER SILENCE = THE VOID? Holy moses!!!
In a word, yes. But maybe Moses isnā€™t that holy or special after all. :slight_smile: Weā€™ve all got it inside us.
ā€˜Inner silenceā€™ is called by many names, including also ā€˜samadhiā€™. Thereā€™s a lot more on the subject here (under the heading of ā€˜samadhiā€™):
http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=667

Hi EMC,
I think there are many words for it: Inner Silence, presence, being, the void, oneness, nothingness, no thing, space, inner space, emptiness, samadhi etc.
all the best,
Anthem11

Great link, David! Thank you!!! Getting clearer and clearer!

Hi emc
i donā€™t know the exact chemistry behind this ā€œblack caveā€, first time i had this experience.
but i had similar experience when i was meditating on crown. i felt total black and voidness but its kind of expanding voidness. but the ā€œblack caveā€ is kind of sucks you inside that place and kind of condensing voidness.
i followed the link posted by David, thanx David and i found Yoganiā€™s answer very helpful and direct.
Yogani says:
ā€œwe are having an energy experience, not a samadhi experience.ā€
ā€œEnergy is very edgy, and that edginess is due to ā€œfrictionā€ of the energy moving through the obstructions in our purifying nerves.ā€
ā€œInner silence wants to moveā€

what i understood from Yoganiā€™s post is.
when we feel more and more inner silence our body awareness loses and we are aware of ā€œconsciousnessā€
wherever the consciousness moves - energy (Kundalini) follows it.
I think the chakras are doorways to kind of other layers or dimensions.
when we place our conciousness to particular chakra, the energy manifest in specific form and we get different experiences depending upon the amount of purfication we have. i think ā€œsamadhiā€ is a experience where we have total awareness of consciousness.

I wonder is there any chakra located in ā€œblack caveā€ where the spinal column starts?
is there any circuit connecting this ā€œblack caveā€ to the crown? or it can be achieved through ā€œKechariā€?

I use to bring the kundalini to crown through the ajna chakra.
I just want to show you the circuit how i bring the kundalini to crown.
---------- p3ā€¦
-----------------.
-----------------.
---------- p1ā€¦p2
---------- |
---------- | (spinal column)

----------
p1 - ā€œblack caveā€
p2 - ajna point
p3 - crown point
. - path of kundalini
Thanx
Kumar