Hello all, I have been researching online about a plant called Salvia Divinorum, it is supposed to be psychedelic drug used by Mazatec Shamans with no addictive properties whatsoever, Its effects can be very mild to extreme, the mild effects are feeling happy, laughter, and feelings of movement, and the extreme effects can be temporary loss of motor functions, hallucinations and out of body experiences.
I am about to do some research with this drug and I feel I would be the perfect test subject as I have very sensitive Kundalini, all my chakras are open and lotus shaped, not in spherical form which in my opinion is the hybrid stage when they are first maturing/activated.
I have read many experiences online from people who have used this drug, but so far I have not read anyone who has used this with active kundalini and given a detailed account of the experience.
I feel I could benefit from this plant as I think it is meant for spiritual reasons, even though most people that use it have done so for recreational purposes.
The plant is legal in most parts of the world, and comes in a variety of forms, mostly dry or fresh leaves, and extracts of varying strength, most common strenghts are 5x, 10x, 20x, the highest I have seen is 120x.
As I have a very low tolerance to drugs, (I used to smoke high doses of Cannabis daily but since my K awakening I take one puff on a joint and I feel like my Kundalini energy has turned into an electric shock, very uncomfortable so I have quit smoking that.) I have ordered a bag of 28grams of dry leaves, not the higher power extracts.
The method of intake will be smoking it in a joint. And if that fails to have an effect I will quid. (Get 5 to 10 leaves, roll it into a tube and chew on it for about 30 minutes, allowing the liquid to sit under the tongue and be absorbed into the body, this is how the shamans take this drug.) I will start with a low dose to see if it helps with calming the mind and if it is useful as a tool for mediation, I have a hyper active mind and would love to find a way to slow my thoughts down. Once I feel comfortable with the drug I will try a higher dose before going to sleep to see if it is a useful aid for inducing Astral Projection, Lucid Dreams and/or Out of Body experiences.
If anyone has had an experience of this drug please post here. I will update this topic as soon as I have carried out some tests, probably monday at the latest.
Consistent Mantra Meditation practice will have this effect, but rather than being temporary (a few minutes in the case of Salvia), it’s effect is a more permanent calming. Not that I find Salvia is at all calming IME, like all hallucinogens it’s more like a hyper-stimulant. As anyone who’s ever tried to sleep whilst on LSD will no doubt know.
I’ve been down the hallucinogen road, ultimately you realise it leads nowhere. But I guess we all have to learn for ourselves through experience.
To be honest, what will help you to calm the mind and find some stillness is daily meditation practice, but likely not any specific substance.
Astral projection, OOB, lucid dreams etc. are all nice, but they can as well be distractions from finding stillness / inner silence. AYP is not really about any of this, but about going beyond all this (beyond scenery) to the source of it all. Finding this is the source of peace, happiness in daily living 
It’s up to you to make choices. Here at AYP it’s about a very simple and powerful approach. I suggest you check the main lessons from the beginning
From what you write it seems that you should first stabilize yourself in stillness (via daily deep meditation). This is essential so that you don’t get entangled further in the scenery (kundalini, sypmtoms of purification, OOB, etc.).
On the subject you are asking about - I have some experience with psychedelics and active kundalini. These “trips” lead to short term ecstasy in the body, like a super charged energetic state, they magnify any blocks I have in the energetic system. Furthermore, they tend to destabilize one in the daily practice. The use of such substances can have some advantage in early stages, like previews that there is “more”.
Check Yoganis lesson on hallucinogens and Yoga if you want: http://www.aypsite.org/307.html
It’s primarily about the background of all these experiences, not the experiences themselves.
Take care and meditate daily, if you are not
It is true that this plant is traditionally used for spiritual purposes, but either processed as a drink, or one chews on fresh leaves. When used in this way, one gets a insightful trip that lasts for a few hours and one often feels the presence of a benign female being.
Interestingly the Indians who have used this herb for centuries wouldn’t even think of smoking it, because the plant is seen as the embodiment of the female version of God. Burning it would be a desecration.
Smoking Salvia was first tried in the 70’s by American scientists. The effects are more potent this way, but also more uncomfortable, Moreover, people often describe feeling the presents of hostile entities.
I don’t know if you have any experiences with psychedelics, but if you don’t I would strongly advise you against smoking it. The effects will be very overwhelming, and often ons loses the sense of identity, so one thinks everything that happens is real. This can be immensely frighting. Always use it with a sober sitter who make sure you won’t hurt yourself. This stuff is potent, and for al lot of people not in a pleasant way.
I don’t want to rain on your parade, but safety always goes first. These are all general recommendations, I don’t have any advice on using it while Kundalini is active.
Take care!
Hi Scorpio and All
Salvia is a very difficult plant to work with when it is smoked. The duration (very short) and intensity/abruptness of the trip make it next to impossible to do any sort of spiritual inquiry on this drug. If you want to use Salvia as an adjunct to your spiritual search I would HIGHLY recommend not smoking it, and buying a Salvinorin A tincture (Salvinorum A is the active ingredient in Salvia). Use the tincture sublingually (place a single drop of the tincture under your tongue) and give it about 10-15 minutes to work into your system. The result is a much longer and more “workable” trip, with the same degree of intensity you will get from smoking it.
I doubt you will have much luck (breaking through) using a quid of regular dried salvia leaves (not to mention the taste is so horrible you likely won’t be able to keep it in your mouth long enough to get ANY effect). And FYI, if you choose to smoke it, don’t use a joint. Salvinorum A metabolizes in the body extremely quickly (hence the short duration of a trip) and if you smoke a joint you will never “break through”…especially using regular dried leaves and not an extract. Use a bong if you are going to smoke it, hold the smoke in as long as possible (the smoke is not harsh at all so this is very easy…it is like smoking air), and continue to smoke until you can’t anymore. This is the only way to actually get a taste for the full experience when using regular leaves via the smoking method. Make sure you have a “trip sitter” as well. Seriously.
About doing Salvia with an active kundalini…I wouldn’t recommend it. 
Actually, I wouldn’t recommend using salvia WITHOUT an active kundalini! Hahaha 
It’s a very difficult drug to work with. Personally I find much more value in a well timed, well intentioned mushroom trip. And for what it’s worth, I’ve had the same experience with marijuana as you. Smoked chronically for well over a decade…can’t even have one hoot anymore without it sending the kundalini into complete overdrive…sunburn from the inside
Good luck and be safe!
Love!
Thank you everyone for the replies, well I tried salvia on friday and I had a totally different experience to what others have given.
Around 2.30pm I rolled 2 Salvia joints and smoked them, I felt a mild buzz similar to smoking Cannabis before I had Kundalini, I felt extremely tired after that and went to sleep for what I thought would be a short nap. I was totally knocked out and awoke the next day at 3pm!!! yes I had slept 25 hours of good restfull sleep I have suffered from insomnia since I was a child and it takes me about 5 hours of lying in bed just to fall asleep, I was incredibly happy with the results and I belive I have found a cure to my problem.
Much more effective than any sleeping pill I have ever taken.
I am going to smoke just one joint tonight and hope I can wake up early in the morning, I am really pleased even if I did not have a spiritual experience.
I think I will just practice heavy meditation to have a spiritual encounter instead of doing drugs from now on.
However when I was asleep for the 25 hours I had a few dreams and I managed to remember some of them when I woke up, ive been able to analyze them and found out a lot about my personality problems, it turns out I am very selfish and self-centered if my unconscious mind is anything like my waking personality.
Sometimes i have trouble sleeping too.
There is an over the counter sleeping pill that works extremely well for me, while none of the others do anything at all. Look for a non-prescription sleeping pill that has Doxylamine Succinate, 25 mg. I only take 1/3 of a pill and it works very well.
It takes effect in one hour, and you have to be quiet, sitting or lying down. If you are active it won’t work at all.
Salvia is intensely psychadelic and not useful at all for “calming the mind.” The reason it had little effect on you is your chosen method of use. The active ingredients in salvia vaporize at a very high temperature; much higher than can be achieved by smoking it in a joint. This is why it was ineffective. You need to apply a direct, constant flame from a powerful lighter to effeciently vaporize the active ingredients.
Trust me, you would know if you had gotten a sufficient dose. A break through experience on Salvia is comparable in intensity to DMT.
Also, if you are interested in using something as an occasional sleep aid, I would recommend trying both Valerian root and melatonin. I don’t really have problems sleeping, but I have used both in order to help myself get to sleep a little earlier than normal.
Also, to supplement Clear White Light’s recommendation, may I suggest some lovely, warm, healthy, vibratory, organic, herbal tea. It soothes the nerves and helps unwind the tension…yes, indeed.
I have tried valerian root pills, it had no effect on me whatsoever, but this was before I had my Kundalini awakening, I will try it again I think see if it works this time.
I smoked another Salvia joint yesterday and again I had a good sleep, I think there are other chemicals in the Salvia plant which can be beneficial. I was reading online and a lot of scientists have mentioned that Salvia could be used as a potential cure to insonmia and also for headaches, migraines, Scyzophrenia, depression and other problems. I believe that there are many other uses for this wonderful plant other than for the hallucinegenic effects.
Interesting that it makes you sleep, Scorpio. I haven’t heard of that reaction before.
Although I haven’t tried an external source of DMT, I agree…a real salvia trip is very intense.
I heard the pineal gland makes DMT, I had an experience once which I think was due to a lot of DMT being produced naturally. I was very paranoid one day when I had excess kundalini, I felt I was going to spontaneouly combust or something, I then closed my eyes and I was thinking of fire then I saw a flame in my minds eye, made of golden colour, then I thought of Buddha and I saw him too, also in a golden like colour.
This free book contains (what seems to me like) good info on naturally occurring DMT:
http://www.universal-tao.com/dark_room/DarkRoom.pdf
Enjoy!
ah… salvia!
true… although i believe they chewed it (rather than smoking 20x concentrates)
also true, lol… once is often enough
salvia is a cruel drug… in my experience at any rate
first the cold, oh so cold
then the slicing and dicing as your energy body gets sheared and spread
(it’s a salvia night, the shear is on your right…)
3D objects pop-out, revealing 4D altered reality aspect
small marks on the wall turn into portals into which your essence gets dragged and merged
it’s a lot of fun, lol
9/10 people agree, salvia is a mean drug… just ask the guy behind the counter at your local head shop… he either hasn’t tried it yet, or will agree
good luck!
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I agree. I tried it once, still have some and am not motivated to try it again after months. Complete change of reality, much movement, nausea for a long time. It wasn’t fun.
Thanks for the link Scott. I just started reading it, but I feel like it explains a lot. Ever since my K awakening a few years back at night before I fall asleep I have what feel like lucid psychedelic trips similar to what people who have taken DMT often describe. Maybe my body is naturally producing DMT at night now.
Hey Guys, I have just had a breakthrough with Salvia that has changed my life forever, I have just smoked some 15x extract and I have reached the “breakthrough” membrane and come back. To be honest I got scared of crossing over, so I chose to open my eyes and come back, which is a good thing so now I can write about my experience because I have retained the memory as it only happened less than 5 minutes ago.
Ok here goes, I was lying in bed, listening to some chillout dubstep music, I loaded up my pipe with some 15x extract and took one hit. All I can say is WOW!!! I saw the jewish symbol with the two triangles, but it was split in half, one triangle for each eye. I then closed my eyes and the two triangles formed the symbol. It then started rotating and it then turned into some kind of tunnel. I was being pulled into it, it felt like I was about to go through the wall behind me very slowly. I felt the presence of someone, I had a good feeling about this, but then I got scared because I remembered I am not pure enough and I could do some damage if I had a bad thought. After that I started calling out for my friend using my voice, I then realised I was at home all by myself LOL. (Deffinetly feels like theres someone there when you take Salvia.) I then tried to escape this “membrane”, it felt like a warm blanket over me, as I tried to “pull it off” starting from my legs I started sweating instantly all over my body, I think this is because the “entity” has trouble putting you back in the physical quickly and that is one of the reasons I why I think people have a bad experience because they do not follow it through to the end. I am going to try again tonight but this time fully cross over. It felt truly natural and I get the feeling this is the perfect drug to do some serious Spiritual work. I retained full memory of the experience and felt truly alert shortly after, though I was talking to myself for about a minute trying to make sense of the situation.
So far it has been a beautiful experience beyond words. I was a bit scared to try it at first after seeing so many people say they have had a bad experience.
Hi Scorpio
In my experience with Salvia (which is quite extensive), there are “breakthroughs” and then there are BREAKTHROUGHS.
The sweating is common. I got that everytime I hit a certain “level” as well. Same with the sensation of feeling “pulled” in any specific direction. For me, I usually seem to be pulled backwards and/or downwards.
In the first level of “breathrough” there is some retained awareness of the fact that one has taken salvia. In the next level of breakthrough there is no awareness of taking salvia at all, there is just the salvia experience/trip. In the NEXT level of breakthrough you can live whole other lives (and I mean this literally) in the trip. Meaning, in the deepest levels of a salvia trip (deepest levels I have experienced anyways) you can be there for what seems like (upon “returning”) an entire lifetime. In these trips I have lived whole other lives. From birth to death. In real time. These are the trips that make the salvia experience (IMO) hard to integrate once coming back to “this reality” (the non-salvia induced reality).
I’m glad you found your breakthrough experience helpful and enjoyable, I would just caution you to be careful… you never know what you are going to get with Salvia… ecstasy or terror… a trip or a whole new life… there is a fine line for sure.
Good luck!
Love!
Carson,
I’ve heard on other forums about people living out entire lifetimes on salvia trips, and it makes me wonder whether a person could go completely insane something like that , e.g. an Inception-like symptom, where the wife thought she was still inside a dream when she woke up.
What are your thoughts on the likelihood of something like that happening? I personally haven’t taken any psychedelics, but I’m humoring the idea of trying something in the next year or so, and I’m just wondering if insanity’s a realistic possibility. You seem to be the most experienced person here, so I’m really curious about your thoughts on this.