Om and blessings to you all, may all your actions arise from love, and may the love you share come back to you three fold, Om Namah Shivaji!
I am not here to challenge anyones beliefs, I am just sharing information, if you don’t like what is said here, if it is not something you want, if it makes you doubt (well then it has probably served its purpose), don’t project anger at a concept (or person) that may be (presenting something) different from your (current) beliefs; I am you and you are me; but I am aware that I’m in danger of being distracted into speaking about the nature of karma and being drawn off what it was I was being drawn to talk about.
I am aware of a lot of interest (here) about ‘duality’.
The question of what duality is, is as infinite as the questions that precedes them.
But an answer has to start somewhere…
So I will start at its beginning and travel out from there.
Duality is the birth child of time.
It is the causation of the manifestation of everything that is material, that which is known in sanskrit as maya, the great illusion, literally translated ma means ‘not’, and ma translates to ‘that’, so maya translates to ‘not that’, (you are not that) because for there to be a ‘that’ there has to be something perceiving ‘that’ in the first place, which basically means the identification of separation from the thing you are perceiving, but (and this is where it can start to sound paradoxical), you are (already) the object of what you are perceiving, because you are (already) everything, its more rather the perception of something else as being a ‘that’, which creates the manifestation of identification of separation, because for there to be a ‘that’ there has to be a ‘this’ when in actuality, you are both ‘this’ and ‘that’, you are already the object of; and the creator of; the thing you are perceiving, what you are creating is separation though identification of separation; anyway this is a loop, and as such the explanation could go on and on, so I’ll move on.
So how does time create separation and the material (the universe and everything in it)?
Time creates distance ((space) an, expanse for everything to exist within).
Distance is measured by the (‘)time(’) it takes to traverse from one point to another (separation (3d, or three dimensional space) up, down; left, right; backward, forwards (for there to be a ‘this’, there has to be a ‘that’)) the three dimensions of space) and yes I know I have stated 6 things here, but that is one of the causation’s of duality, positive and negative; for there to be an up there has to be a down, for there to be a left there has to be a right, neither can exist without the other, to travel to the left you must therefore be traversing from the right, ie. To move from one point to another there also has to be a point from which you are traversing from. Positive/Negative… duality, dual, polar opposites; and agagain this list is endless, right, wrong; hot, cold etc.) So again I will move on…
But, time isn’t real, because it isn’t a constant.
Yogis and physicists have proven this to be the reality of the unreality in which we (choose to) live (occupy ourselves) within.
Anyway I’ll leave it there for now, but if there is interest from anyone who would like me to expand on this further than I’m happy to do so, just don’t want to babble on about stuff that nobody maybe interested in…
Om Namah Shiva!
And blessings to you all.
In love yogabuzz
and yet ,as stated in the gita ,"this is held up by a fragment of myself "[OM]
Hi Yogabuzz108,
It is interesting to read your insights. There is some overlap here, and some divergence. No ultimate resolution as more meditation is needed
Om Blanche,
More meditation is always necessary, but guidance of what we see is just as necessary, I am in need
Are you willing to help me?
Om kumar ul islam Om, I feel that there is nothing more to say. When something is complete nothing can be added to it.
Hi Yogabuzz108,
It seems that you have an opening, and as Yogani says, “good things are happening.” In this context, your question is … complex. When there is a “you” and a “me”, isolated entities, help is limited – and it is a bit like a blind leading another blind.
When there is no “you” and “me”, everything is possible, everything is available, and no help is needed – everything is perfect. And even that is not the end point…
It feels more and more like the language slips into poetry.
The guru truly is in you.
Blanche
Om Blanche,
Forgive me,
The reason I asked what I asked was to ascertain the provenance of the person who advised me of more meditation; I know you know why (this one did this).
In love,
Yogabuzz
The notion of time was introduced by us simply as a means to measure movement. That movement can be between two points in space but it can also be the frequency between one event and another like your heart beat.
When we talk of duality in AYP we are generally talking of what we perceive as “I” verses objects of perception; between “I” and “other”
The rest is relative - like hot and cold. There is a whole range of temperatures between hot and cold.
Sey
Om Kumar,
I think you will see that, this is exactly what I am saying here, do you see what I am trying to show you? I know I may come across (as a) hyper logical (person), maybe I am, maybe I’m not… Who knows… each are but different reflections of the same (one) thing, what speaks to one, is deafness to another, it all just depends on our level of accent up the mountain, Hari om tat sat.
I’m (still just) trying to work out the level at which to place the answers to the questions people have.
In love Yogabuzz
Om Blanche,
Well, eventually I would have gone on to explain, that when time ceases to exist, it takes no time to be anywhere, and when it takes no time to be anywhere, we are everywhere and everything, at the same moment.
This is an explanation of the superconnected state from the perspective of annamaya kosha; my reasons for explaining in relation to annamaya is that, in main, this is the most identifiable body for the majority of aspirants; I’m aware that in explaining from this perspective may read as hyper logical, but, it is still one of the bodies we possess, and shouldn’t be neglected in favour for one that we may feel as being more appealing because we ‘think’ its closer to the thing we are looking for, each of our bodies are just as important as the other, and as such, it’s best to develop each of them equally, when one (body) is louder than the other imbalances can occur…
In love yogabuzz
There is more to come.
Always hun
Yogabuzz1108, I appreciate you digging into this topic. Non duality feels almost immune to deep exploration with words as the more one talks the more vulnerable one is to slip into dualistic language. I like how you say Duality is the birth child of time." I will admit I still mostly live in the dualistic world of objects and separateness. I dip into the non dualistic waters in meditation but the true non dualistic world view shared by sages and the like sounds in the realm of lofty visions of dreamers to me. I’m curious in your request to Blanche to “help me” how this relates to your initial comment which suggests you are showing up in the roll of teacher “I am not here to challenge anyones beliefs, I am just sharing information”.
Yeah, me too, though dreaming itself is highly valued here. In my desire to know non-duality, my path is Radiance whenever I am internally aroused, and if not in my sitting practice then I employ open eyes, spread fingers, Lion mudra and the like and pass it outward like a sutra. It is an intent to blur the boundary of inside/outside, until one day (lifetime) it dissolves, as promised in the AYP system. Yogabuzz, which body would this be?
Dear Yogabuzz - you may enjoy this book - Each Moment is the Universe by Dainin Katagiri,
if you have not read it.
Sey
Yogabuzz1108, I appreciate you digging into this topic. Non duality feels almost immune to deep exploration with words as the more one talks the more vulnerable one is to slip into dualistic language. I like how you say Duality is the birth child of time." I will admit I still mostly live in the dualistic world of objects and separateness. I dip into the non dualistic waters in meditation but the true non dualistic world view shared by sages and the like sounds in the realm of lofty visions of dreamers to me. I’m curious in your request to Blanche to “help me” how this relates to your initial comment which suggests you are showing up in the roll of teacher “I am not here to challenge anyones beliefs, I am just sharing information”.
Hi Interpaul, As we become clearer, our connection with the Source reveals itself, and there is an opening to fundamental knowledge. This happens in increments, and you could see how people in the forum have a great desire to share information available to them as the connection to the Source gets better. Eventually, all knowledge becomes available to the yogi. Patanjali writes toward the end of the Yoga Sutra that: “Because knowledge is infinite when all the obstructing impurities are removed, little remains to be known.” We are all teachers and students, and there are no teachers and students. No mind can illuminate another mind. Each of us had to make the trip for ourselves – and everybody else. There are many things in life that work the same way: I cannot swim for you; I can swim only for myself, but I can tell you how to swim, and if you see me swimming you would have an easier time learning how to do it, too. You studied to become a doctor, and this cannot make me a doctor. But you could help me learn if I take that path, and I will have to make that trip myself. Finally, non-duality is not separate from duality, they are the same. Another topic for another time. :pray:
the experience and the experiencer i presume
the good doctor replied
to use and be used in infinite states
flowed my retort in a manner of sorts
finding joy in the other and therefore myself
came a fluttered response from the lips of another
to be something and everything always and never
is heard from someone right at the back
its here shouts a friend no here came a reply
then from afar came a voice with the truth
and we heard these words of humble decent
blessed are the cheese makers and blessed are you
always look at the bright side of life
Om Interpaul,
Firstly, the state you are speaking of, appears to already be manifesting within you,
Its, just, when it happens, at the perfect rate, we are unaware of the change that is occurring, but you are becoming something more than what you were expecting