Musings on celibacy and tantra sex

[UnseekingSeeker]

Here, now as we are, in the human experience, the sexual urge in us is programmed and largely hormone driven. Along the path of spirituality, we encounter conflicting views on whether celibacy is important or not, presumably based on the belief that we need to preserve what is called ojas, the life force, a concept that gets confused with semen as thought to be the fluid that rises up the spine during kundalini awakening.

As someone whose kundalini awakened spontaneously and to a reasonable degree, let me then affirm clearly that celibacy has nothing whatsoever to do with the kundalini activation. If it did, then it should not have awakened in my case but it did, so that’s that.

Next, I’d like to talk a bit on sexual practice in tantra. Tantra has in fact been wrongly clubbed as sex oriented, whereas this is not the case. In the Vijnana Bhairava Tantra, which is basically a dialogue between Lord Shiva and Parvati Ma as Shakti, Shiva lists out 112 meditations or techniques for God-realisation. Out of these, only two meditations relate to sexual practices and the key in the practice is to surrender the sexual act to God, whilst visualising that the kundalini is rising chakra by chakra and with esoteric breath control involved. In short, best left for the aghoris, shamans or whatever, those ascetics who actually live lives in the wilderness in that manner and who have received guidance directly, face to face, from masters well versed in such matters.

I write this simply to keep in focus that the aim is God-realisation, not in indulgence related to body-mind, which is a vehicle we are using but which is not our true being.

Surrender is the way, no doubt but should be attempt surrendering the sexual act, when we can neither control our thoughts, passions or senses? Let us instead make humbler beginnings, such as awakening love in our heart, purifying our thoughts, in mindfulness slowing down fears and desires rooted in attachment, honing reflex instincts such as anger, jealousy, hatred, lust and the like.

I know of at least one person who engaged in tantra sex as a rapid route to ascent and he lost his sanity. So not so humorous after all, hence I’m cautioning against this.

Choose resting in silence and stillness till it becomes our default orientation. Ultimately know that we are the all but also we are not, meaning ego is not. As ego thins out, we ascend, in as entwine, meld with universal consciousness. So ask, who aspires? Or to fall back on Ramana’s inquiry, ‘who am I?’

God bless.

[Christi (Tristan Dorling)]

Hi UnseekingSeeker,

You may be falling for the trap of thinking that anecdotal evidence is evidence. This is like someone thinking that everyone who crosses a road dies, because they only saw one person attempt to cross a road and that person died. But if we look at data for hundreds of thousands of people crossing roads, we would see that almost everyone crosses unharmed. Then there would be a few people who judge things wrongly and have to jump out of the way of a car. There would be a few people who get hit by a car and then recover in hospital. And there would be a few people who get hit and die. So, to understand how things work, we have to look at large numbers of people. In this case, it is large numbers of spiritual practitioners.

When it comes to kundalini and the importance of celibacy, the situation is complicated. It is important to preserve sexual energy, but how important it is will depend on the unique matrix of obstructions of each individual. For some people it will be very important, for a few it will be hardly important at all, and for most people it will be reasonably important and they will have to pay some amount of attention to it. If, in your case, it was hardly important at all, then that just puts you at one extreme end of the range of possible experiences.

The situation becomes even more complicated by the fact that people can preserve the life force through engaging in Tantric sexual practices. So, both celibacy, and Tantric sexual practices can lead to a situation of preserved ojas. For those that do need to be careful about the preservation of sexual energy, which one they choose is up to them. These days Tantric sexual practices are not reserved for monks and nuns, but are available to everyone. We can practice them in the wilderness if we want to, or at home, which is a lot more comfortable! They are described in detail here in the Tantra Lessons on this site. The Vijnana Bhairava Tantra is an interesting text, but it does not include a great deal on sexual practices. There are much better sources of information available these days. And yes, Tantric sexual practices when used correctly, lead to God-realization.

There is actually no need to surrender the sexual act during Tantric sexual practices. The retention of the sexual energy, and the purification of the subtle neurobiology will both happen anyway, even if no surrender is taking place. In advanced stages of Tantric sexual practice, surrender of the fruits of the action to the divine will be happening automatically, in silence.

And I would agree that Tantric sexual practices should not be used by people who are not engage in the purification of the heart and mind. This is explained in the very first of the Tantra Lessons here. Engaging in Tantric sexual practices without a solid foundation in spiritual practice is not safe and is not recommended.

And yes, certainly engaging in Jnana Yoga practices such as asking the question “Who am I?” is extremely beneficial. It is a very useful practice for people who already have abiding inner silence established in their mind. Not so much before that. You may find this lesson on Jnana Yoga practice helpful:

AYP Lesson 350 - Practices for Moving Beyond the Witness Stage

[UnseekingSeeker]

@ Tristan ~ We each speak from how our experiences unfolded. In my case everything has been spontaneous whereas the only practice, if we can call it a practice, was the decision to go in, in silence, in surrender, remaining attentive and wait for as long as it takes for realisations to blossom. This remains the case till this day.

I accept that there are many paths and so I’m not saying it’s my way or the highway, no. All I’m saying is that it is quite simple really. We signed up for earth life. However, in pursuit of desire, whilst plagued by fears, we lost our way. Head and heart stand apart. Taking head as ego and heart as soul/Self, if we meld head with heart, that is … surrender. That’s what I recommend, to walk the talk by aligning thought, word and deed with love and truth and forget about all practices altogether.

I’ll pass on all this stuff about esoteric practices, sex included, since I’ve already stated my position. There seems absolutely no need for celibacy and in fact it may be counterproductive, being repression, kind of like sweeping dust under the carpet ~ it’s still there.

In our natural state, childlike, innocent, agendaless, vibrant, guilt free, which is as God made us when we were born, later mind came into play. Sure, it served its purpose but has now outlived its use and must relax.

I’m sure you have your own views just as I have mine. That’s alright.

Somewhere in the Ashtavakra Gita there is this verse … let me see if I can dig out … here it is ~

18.97

“Even while distracted the blessed one is still

In meditation, he does not meditate

In ignorance, he remains clear

Though learned, he knows nothing”

[Christi (Tristan Dorling)]

There seems absolutely no need to celibacy and in fact it may be counterproductive, being repression, kind of like sweeping dust under the carpet ~ it’s still there.

Hi Unseeking Seeker,

It is true that we each have our own expreriences. But of course, we don’t each only have our own experiences. There are the experiences of the tens of thousands of others who are on the spiritual path. So, we can come to know what works for many, and what works only for a few.

Certainly there is no need for anyone to engage in celibacy. Some, however, are drawn to it naturally and simply live in that way as their chosen lifestyle. And in that case I would say it is fine and can in fact have many advantages. But for someone who is not naturally celibate, I agree, it can lead to the repression of sexual energy.

And I would say that your spiritual practice of making the “decision to go in, in silence, in surrender, remaining attentive” is a good one for people who have abiding inner silence present in the mind. Before inner silence is present, it is not possible to engage in this practice at all. Someone cannot make the decision to go into something they do not have. But for those that are ready it is a very beautiful spiritual practice and can have the power to take someone all the way home. Personally I teach it as an advanced stage Jnana Yoga practice. I recorded a video about it for YouTube here:

Pure Abiding - The Last Practice in Yoga

[UnseekingSeeker]

@Christi

I recorded a video about it for YouTube here:

Pure Abiding - The Last Practice in Yoga

Thanks for sharing, Tristan, I’ve left a comment on your YouTube channel.

What you have presented in the video is exactly what I’ve been saying all along except that this is not a practice, this represents the way we are, be and so become what we always were, are and will be, living light of Self, dwelling in time dissolved ineffable peace.

This said, we cannot have the cake and eat it too. If we are a non-doer, living in surrender, moment by moment, all moments in time entwined, allowing the currents to carry us, it follows that we must necessarily, from that orientation, abdicate all practices which intrinsically suggest doership.

Meditation or God-search is then is not a part time activity. It is an undying effervescence representing our being-ness. We do not meditate but rather are meditated upon by the omnipresent divine energy, by the kundalini. Seeking ends although recognition exists in that the caterpillar is yet to metamorphose into a butterfly but it does not seek, it just waits, as does a slowly blossoming rose, unfolding beauteously, petal by petal.

All doership is ego-centric. These days I’m following the lectures of Swami Ramanacharna Tirtha on YouTube related to Ramana’s 40 verses in self-realisation ~ Ulladu Narpadu. I mention this since your video refers to Ramana’s teachings. Somewhere in the lectures, the swami says that if we be as yet in thought, we are in delusion. A radical statement perhaps but it rings true if we dive in deep in the heart and sense the import of these words.

God bless.

[Drystone (Tom)]

Hi Unseekingseeker,

have you read ‘Be as you are.-The teachings of Ramana Maharshi’ ? In it David Godman states (as someone who sat with Ramana for many years) that Ramana spent a lot of time learning how to adapt his teachings for people who were in different stages of the path, because his direct pointing technique did not work for them. He taught them to meditate on the name of god, if someone asked how to meditate. He even had three explanations for the creation of the cosmos depending on a person’s understanding.

[UnseekingSeeker]

@ Tom Allsop ~ no, I’ve not read that particular book but I’m reasonably familiar with Ramana’s teachings. I’ve written poems on all the 40 verses of Ramana’s Ulladu Narpadu plus addendums to them based on elaborations by Swami Ramanacharna Tirtha.

I accept that there are intermediate coordinates of consciousness and therefore one size does not fit all, so some adopt Bhakti, others do not need a symbol and can mediate on formlessness and yet others feel comforted in some sort of practice, be it yoga or chanting or whatever.

Path any, I think the experience or realisation must be direct. Otherwise it is only a belief, a concept, a thought construct. Also, the process adopted, whatever it may be, should resonate and feel comfortable in our heart centre.

[yogani]

Hi All,

The truth is we have not seen much until we have seen through the eyes of others. And regardless of our perceived glories have not accomplished much until we have learned to walk in the shoes of others. That is unity.

The guru is in you.

[Christi (Tristan Dorling)]

@UnseekingSeeker

What you have presented in the video is exactly what I’ve been saying all along except that this is not a practice, this represents the way we are, be and so become what we always were, are and will be, living light of Self, dwelling in time dissolved ineffable peace.

Hi UnseekingSeeker,

Sometimes I do refer to this as a practice because it is something that can be done deliberately. In other words we can choose a time and place and sit down quietly somewhere with the intention of simply abiding in our true nature. Of course, it is also something that can simply happen to us, spontaneously, and we can find ourselves in that state. So, that could be described as “grace” rather than engaging in a spiritual practice. Both can be useful, because grace tends not to happen to people until they have already engaged in spiritual practices. In my experience I would say that grace only happens for about one in a thousand people who do not engage in spiritual practices. Even then, they often do not know how to benefit from it.

So, yes, a very beautiful spiritual practice, available for those who are ready, and a very beautiful non-practice (descending as grace into the heart), also for those who are ready.

But there is no need for anyone at any stage of the spiritual path to abdicate all practices which intrinsically suggest doership. This would be a grave error, and could lead to the aggrandisement of the spiritual ego. Because, of course it would be the doer that would be abdicating “the practices which intrinsically suggest doership”. It would simply be a trick of the mind, with the mind saying “I am not going to do anything anymore” whilst obviously doing something (abdicating the practices). And without effective spiritual practices there is nothing to prevent the spiritual ego from getting out of hand. I have seen this happen many times to people over the last 40 years. Occasionally it became the obvious elephant in the room. So, I would say make sure you are engaging in some spiritual practice every day, to make sure that does not become an issue. Sometimes it is necessary to go right back to the beginning and forget everything we think we have learned, and everything we think we know. We have to become like a small child, and practice every day, with simplicity, humility, and sincerity.

[UnseekingSeeker]

@Christi

there is no need for anyone at any stage of the spiritual path to abdicate all practices which intrinsically suggest doership. This would be a grave error, and could lead to the aggrandisement of the spiritual ego. Because, of course it would be the doer that would be abdicating “the practices which intrinsically suggest doership”.

‘aggrandisement’ Sent me scurrying to the dictionary.

I appreciate your post, Tristan. So let us dive into this line of inquiry.

Since most here are familiar with kundalini, let us use the process as an illustration to understand what is actually going on. Of course I say this from my perspective.

We, as the kundalini ascend the rainbow from red to orange to yellow to green, then blue, indigo and violet, from root to crown. Polarities are balanced and then after being hatched out of the cosmic egg, Hiranyagarbha, our polarities descend to the heart, where union results in an explosion, resulting in bliss in permanence.

Now, what we see is that the one becomes two and then becomes one again. So, who ascends? This is the paradox. The seeker who seeks, the ego, it does not actually exist. What exists is eternal presence, the Self, within, always. The ego does not want to be extinguished so it struggles and strives and does this and that, employing mind and senses. The ego wishes to grow its attributes. The Self, on the other hand has no attribute.

We may take the dream analogy too. Let us say that we are in a lucid dream, wherein we are the dreamer who has conjured the dream and have assumed a role of a specific entity (us here now) in the dream. The question then is, how may the dreamed object awaken within the dream? Surely it cannot since it is the dreamer who must wake up? Yet there is a way. Cessation. When we cease to react to what unfolds in the dream, the purpose of the dream ends and the subject and object become one, which they always were but now both as one are awake within the dream.

When a yearning to connect with God, with the truth arises, it signals that the ego who so seeks is feeling incomplete and has recognised this and so begins the search. To this end a wide variety of practices seem to be available, each system claiming superiority over the other. However, at the root lies the emphasis on effort, on doership, since that is what the ego has been accustomed to all its life. So practice resonates with the illusionary ego who then clutches on to some such routine.

It is by disrobing the ego in silence and stillness, relinquishing control, that surrender comes about. It is not a part time activity, we must actually authentically refine our consciousness in thought, word and deed, until thoughts cease, words become mantras and actions are spontaneous, aligned with universal heart-mind.

Such are my views on the topic at hand.

[Christi (Tristan Dorling)]

Hi SpiritualSeeker,

Certainly surrender into silence is important on the spiritual path. But it is something that comes at a very advanced stage ont the path, and happens mostly automatically. When it is the right time, there is almost nothing to be said. The seeker, by that point, is in the final stages of the path, and they tend to be very quiet, or completely silent. After all, what words could be used to express the incredible bliss of that unfoldment?

However, attemtping to leapfrog to that stage before the necessary practices have been done to prepare the heart and mind can lead to many problems arising. The potential aggrandisement of the spiritual ego being just one of them. This is why we are seeing so many people having difficulties these days due to the increasing pupularity of Neo-Advaita, teachers telling people that they need to do nothing and simply realise that they are already awake.

I recorded a short video for YouTube on the dangers of Neo-Advaita teaching which can be found here:

Is Neo-Advaita Teaching Dangerous?

I also recorded a video about the dangers of this kind of teaching in relation to Jiddu Krishnamurti which is here on YouTube:

Was Jiddu Krishnamurti Right?

This is not to say that there is anything wrong with advaita practices. It is simply that there are dangers in getting the cart in front of the horse. The dangers come from taking on these spiritual practices, such as the spiritual practice of “doing nothing”, too early on the path, before we have become ripe, and sufficient purification has been completed.

And nothing is ever lost. When we are ready, these Jnana Yoga spiritual practices (“Who am I?”, “Neti Neti”, “Surrender to Silence”, “Do Nothing, abide in the true nature of the Self” etc.) will still be there. But by that point, we will be ready for them and they can be used beneficially.

I have filmed an online video course covering many of these practices, which you may find helpful when the time is right. That can be found here:

AYP Self-Inquiry Online Video Course

You may also find this book by Yogani helpful, where he talks about the dangers of coming to Jnana Yoga practices (or non-practices) to soon:

Self-Inquiry - Dawn of the Witness

[UnseekingSeeker]

@ Tristan ~ well, I don’t know about higher vs lower, neo-Advaita etc but in as it applies to me, I’m in a comfortable space, wherein all that needs to be enabled is being done so by God.

Considering I have never done any practice, whatever we may term it as, the pathless path of mindfulness, silence and stillness has worked very well for me. That too not sporadically but consistently since the last 7 years or so.

Path any, we finally need to surrender doership and trust the process. Why not do so right away? Practice merely strengthens the ego, whether we admit it or not. This reminds me of a story …

In the Mahabharata, when Draupadi was being disproved in the king’s court, after she was saved by the magic weaved by Krishna, she later asked him why he took so long to come to her assistance, to which Krishna replied, “I did not take time. First you relied on your own strength. When that failed you appealed to the king and other elders in the gathering. When they did not respond, you called out for help to your husbands but they were silent, having lost you in a wager. In the end you called me and then I instantly appeared!”

[sunyata]

Hi Unseeking seeker,

Apologies for interjecting. Like you, I experienced a spontaneous awakening and lived in a state of profound bliss 24/7 for about seven years. During that time, I continued my spiritual practices—and I still do, with the intention of practicing for life. Seven years, in my view, is far too early to conclude that practice is no longer necessary.

As long as we inhabit the body–mind, prārabdha karma remains active. Life will continue to unfold, experiences will arise, and lessons will present themselves. In fact, spiritual practices often become even more potent and supportive when we are navigating challenges.

Ultimately, spiritual practice is optional—much like exercising or eating a healthy diet. Yet we all understand the impact on our quality of life when daily hygiene, whether physical or inner, is neglected.

That said, I appreciate the depth of the intellectual discussion you are engaging in.

Sunyata.

[UnseekingSeeker]

@ Sunyata ~ I appreciate what you have said, that you were engaged in practice, had a spontaneous awakening and yet continued your practice. In my case I never did any practice so I’m consistent too, in that I still don’t have any practice.

This said, we may say that I do have a practice, that is, to rest in silence and engage in continuous contemplative correction by gentling my responses to what life throws at me.

[sunyata]

@UnseekingSeeker

I believe there may have been a misunderstanding. When I said I experienced a spontaneous awakening, I meant that it occurred without any formal spiritual practices. At the time, I had no framework to understand what was happening, which is what eventually led me to discover AYP while searching for clarity online.

What you describe sounds more like a passive form of practice . Of course, in daily life I am abiding in stillness as well. However, when I engage in my formal sitting practices, there is a distinct deepening—an intentional immersion into the well of stillness and ecstatic bliss. You may be familiar with the analogy of dipping a white cloth into dye: structured daily practice is what allows that saturation to occur.

AYP, as I experience it, is inherently dynamic—a living integration of stillness and energy, Shiva and Shakti, coming together through practice.

You’re primarily describing the stillness aspect of AYP, whereas AYP itself is a dynamic integration of stillness and energy.

Sunyata.

[UnseekingSeeker]

@ sunyata ~

Interesting that you mention bliss. Not many have experienced bliss, much less become bliss energised in permanence, which is a definitive stage in kundalini awakening.

That said, I do not consider my state as passive, as you have so judged. In fact, when bliss magnetism is humming within 24x7, positioning us in a rapture continuum, there’s nothing inert about such a state.

I feel no need to search for any practice when both dual as well as non-dual unfoldments are being enabled consistently , ego thinned out and karma erased* (* I must narrate how this came about in another thread).

In God’s arms we’re carried to the summit

The path appears when we walk upon it

[sunyata]

@UnseekingSeeker

So if I’m understanding correctly, your favorite pastimes these days are resting in rapturous non-dual awareness, thinned out ego, no karma sparring in intellectual debates, and documenting your spiritual milestones for the benefit of the rest of us?

Even so, your intentions are clearly sincere and pure. Yet it would be a disservice to earnest spiritual seekers who come to AYP to suggest that these practices are unnecessary. The structured methods are precisely what allow one to fully experience and embody the depth, dynamism, and transformative potential of the system.

Sunyata.

[Christi (Tristan Dorling)]

@UnseekingSeeker

when bliss magnetism is humming within 24x7, positioning us in a rapture continuum

Hi UnseekingSeeker,

Even when we are absorbed in bliss 24X7, and rapture has become a permanent aspect of our nature, it is still necessary to be on a watch out for the traps of the mind. These traps can keep someone stuck in their spiritual development, preventing the dissolution into unity. As I mentioned before, the rise of the spiritual ego is one of these possible traps. This alone could prevent the stage of merging in unity.

As unity emerges, we begin to see that we are not separate from anyone else, and we find we simply love everyone as our own Self. We start to see that the condition of others is actually our condition and that we cannot become fully enlightened until everyone is. We come to know clearly that the karma of others is our karma. So, our journey evolves further, from being absorbed in bliss 24/7, to a state of active service to the whole, doing what we can to purify everyone, everywhere, even whilst knowing that everyone is our own Self. This is why the true saints are always involved in never-ending service to others. Love is a stage beyond bliss.

Of course, service comes with responsibility, and in this case it means learning what will actually help others. We have to avoid the mistake of simply teaching the latest thing we have discovered on our own path. Just because something works for one person does not mean it will work for others. So, we have to develop a clear understanding of what will work for many others, being able to address them at the place they are at, with the level of inner silence that they come to the path with. It is not a small task, but a very important one.

Luckily, there is time.

[sunyata]

@UnseekingSeeker

So if I’m understanding correctly, your favorite pastimes these days are resting in rapturous non-dual awareness, thinned out ego, no karma, sparring in intellectual debates, and documenting your spiritual milestones for the benefit of the rest of us?

Even so, your intentions are clearly sincere and pure. Yet it would be a disservice to earnest spiritual seekers who come to AYP to suggest that these practices are unnecessary. The structured methods are precisely what allow one to fully experience and embody the depth, dynamism, and transformative potential of the system.

Sunyata.

[UnseekingSeeker]

@ Sunyata ~ I’m not trying to ‘convert’ anyone to what worked for me, yet by sharing, I do hope that other aspirants can consider that water flows down a hill through many different streams, all joining the same river and eventually flowing into the ocean together and that there is no need to struggle and strive, only to choose to shift, to go in within, in staid silence, in surrender.

@ Tristan ~ if we feel the need to practice this or that by volition, ego is manifest. However, my non-doer path too is a practice, since what is implied is a constant watchfulness, mindfulness orientation, not as a part time activity but all the time, refining our sensibilities as we go along.

About bliss, peace, love, these words can be used precisely to denote the stages we go through. I’ll be happy to elaborate in short:

Bliss, as already stated by me several times, is the union of balanced polarities in the heart, after kundalini ascent, polarity balance, hatching out of Hiranyagarbha, the cosmic egg in head and descent to heart. The central funnel* (* which connects root to crown vertically) is energised and bliss then hums in permanence irrespective of the external, just like our breath or heartbeat. So it is a definitive, physically felt pulsation. Bliss fixates our attention in all-time meditation.

When we are still and time and space both disappear and there are different types of deep trance meditations, in as levels, at some stage when ego drops off, we see our true Self which is living light, soft white yet bright, renewing itself within itself, free from attributes, feeling complete, with no need for any coming or going or doing needed to be done, having full freedom (unlike samadhi, which too is oneness but without operational freedom), dwelling thus in ineffable peace. Bliss transforms as peace, possibly because in singularity, where no polarities exist, that is how it is.

About love, much can be said but the love we speak of is not a trade, expecting reciprocation or even recognition. It is an unconditional, nonjudgmental, all embracing effervescence. In duality, it has to do with the heart slowly blossoming rising along the octaves of joy, empathy, compassion and bliss, all rooted in purity of being. In singularity, as the Self, where we just are, as we are, as awareness self-aware, we have no desire and no attribute but yet actions are done by spontaneous intent. In one such immersion, an intent arose that is not awareness without love barren? Instantly I* (*Self) appeared before a sphere of golden light representing the heart of God, into which I was plunged. God is all love and light of the purest form we can conceptualise. There is no contradiction of terms when we speak of Self and God, since it is one homogeneous, unified field of consciousness with no separation. Also, love is not an attribute but innate being-ness, just as is awareness, or to use the Makavakya/aphorism ~ SatChitAnanda.

Touching again on the need to practice, the practice as I see it, is to walk the talk by gentling thought, word and deed, moment by moment, breath by breath, day by day. We do not meditate as an activity but rather slide gently into silence, into no-thingness as our way of being and then are graced by fullness in emptiness as divine magnetism pervades our form. We do not attain. We become. We become the flame, the light, which of course implies ego recedes and thoughts cease, the mind is instrumentalised, just like any other limb, used when needed, otherwise not.

Let me narrate a true story:

A close friend of mine, who has crossed over, we were opposite neighbours too, well, we often used to discuss theosophy in earlier days. Who are we, who is God, if God exists, why can we not see Him in plain sight and suchlike lines of inquiry. Well, he went to an advanced medium, who is a good friend of mine too. Long story short, he put my friend under hypnotic trance and in the immersion, he saw Lord Shiva, who awakened his kundalini to an advanced level of Ardhnarishwara (left side female, right side male), showed him his past lives, explained why he was suffering because of past karma and so on, took him to several realms and domains too.

So we used to discuss these fabulous developments. All valid, all true but I used to ask him why go realm hopping? We are already in a manifestation. Why not ask Lord Shiva what is that truth wherefrom all manifestations are caused, the source itself?

Well, my friend never asked. He was content in duality. That was his path, his journey, which I respect, accept.

I’m narrating this story, not to negate Shaktipat or a sound and light show but to simply present my view that we can go in deeper, if we so choose.

I’ll close this here. This post has assumed a book like length already.

Love & Light