A great website with true and honest people
http://liberationunleashed.com/index.html
a global movement of people helping others to see through the illusion of self, that there is no separate entity behind the word Ć¢ā¬ĖmeĆ¢ā¬ā¢.
We guide the seeker to pass through what is often called the Ć¢ā¬ĖGateless GateĆ¢ā¬ā¢ or in classical terms, Stream Entry to Enlightenment or Truth Realization. The awakened journey begins here.
We use the Direct Pointing method, which consists of a dialogue between a guide and seeker. The guide poses very specific questions in order to focus the attention on the seekerĆ¢ā¬ā¢s experience of the present moment. This triggers the awakening insight often referred to as Ć¢ā¬Ėseeing no-selfĆ¢ā¬ā¢.
All you need to do is bring your honesty, curiosity and courage. If you are ready to look directly at experience, we are ready to guide you.
Click on the link, and follow the instructions there to engage with a guide. The guide will help you, through direct questioning, to dive deep into your own experience. We will not give you more concepts, we will question those that you already have until you are left face to face with reality. It is that simple.
Simple, but at times fears arise. It takes courage to question your deepest beliefs. We try to work with directness and courtesy, but if we find resistance in looking, we might use the Zen stick to bring focus back to the Gate.
By ācrossing the Gateless Gateā, the illusion of the separate self is seen through. This is the end of the seeker and the beginning of living as the natural state.
We ask nothing from you except your own intention to see.
We make a bold claim. Awakening is available now, in a short time, on the internet and for free. If you are ready, get Posting Rights.
Welcome to Liberation Unleashed
Yes, thank you Ananda, and first of all Miguel who pointed to this site in the topic āsuicideā! Itās truly amazing! If you are ready. I think thatās the key point in their description. If ripe - it goes fast. If not⦠thereās practices to do!
Yes it is
I really donāt care what others say, it shouldnāt be so hard for anyone. This works! it really does! being it is challenging but itās very beautiful and just so simple, easy and peaceful. In case crossing the gateless gate happens, Adyashantiās work is of great help.
Peace
The design seems to be that you canāt SEE until the nervous system is ripe. If you havenāt done a great deal of work in earlier lives, but then you are born with a ripe nervous system. Itās only seen as simple after the fact! Please, never forget how frustrating it is to not see before you do.
Iāll paraphrase the very good Buddhist monk Thich Nhat Hanh:
Itās more dangerous to become attached to the notion of no-self (anatman) than the notion of self (atman).
Now itās my turn Bodhi Tree!
āEcho echo echo echoā¦ā
Love!
Carson
P.S> I went through the Liberation Unleashed process after Miguel mentioned it in the āSuicideā thread and in my opinion this is neo-advaita at itās finest. Just my opinion⦠donāt shoot.
Gut-busting LOL, Carson!
Now Iāll quote the beloved Captain Hook from Peter Pan:
āGood form, Peter, good form.ā
P.S. I really like āThe Awakened Dreamerā ā Lori Ann, who is listed on the links section of Liberation Unleashedā¦splendid blogs and poetry.
Donāt worry dear, I havenāt forgotten this fact. On the other hand, I canāt help but think that to some who are over there the awakening has happened only on the mental level. Reminds me again of relational and non relational self inquiry⦠Maybe I am wrong of course.
Love,
Ananda
This is the beauty of this whole thing, thereās being awareness. No self is just a word. Itās just waking up from the mind story. Everything is still here, itās just different. As for attachments, they have never been so transparent. But then again I am speaking from my own experience, Iāve noticed some of the people there struggeling with thoughts and mind games after passing through the gate. But a lot of others are living good.
Whatever works Speaking for myself, I am happy with the results. A serious shift has happened. Itās like being samyama now. I wouldnāt share this thing if it didnāt really help me out.
Love,
Ananda
Carson, I agree and I disagree.
I think if people are getting stuck in ābelievingā they are liberated because they have an intellectual understanding of non-duality, or maybe even a temporary seeing of no-self, largely because they donāt know enough about what Realization/Enlightenment means to realize they have a [long] way to go, then thereās a problem. I feel like LU kind of encourages this, by calling everyone who can recognize āno selfā liberated. This could be a trap for inexperienced spiritual seekers, and egos who are quick to jump and call themselves liberated.
On the other hand, Direct Pointing is actually a valid and useful technique for negating false beliefs. I was strongly identified with a self, a self who was seeking blah blah blah, until LUās method gave a direct insight into the erroneous nature of this belief. For me this was the first time that Iād really started to look at what Iād accepted as ātrueā (with regard to sense of identity) and question it for myself.
The following happened after this:
Direct experiences of no-self. For my entire life, consciousness has been identifying itself as what is perceived: visual image of body, bodily sensations, emotions, thoughts etc. Whilst there had been some disidentification with thoughts and emotions, never had had the experience of just being pure consciousness in which all these perceptible phenomena are arising. Suddenly I experienced all perceptible phenomena as empty of self, as simply arising in consciousness, perceptible phenomena lost that sense of being āthe only realityā.
Complete disidentifiation with mind: Iām no longer believing any mental stories. This in itself, is pretty liberating. Iād already had a good deal of calling the mind on its own BS, but now there is a total dropping of mental stories about life, from moment to moment.
Fierce increase in bhakti: these glimpses dramatically increased my desire for spiritual practice
Complete change in spiritual practice: If Iām honest with myself, I mainly started doing AYP with a vague idea of what enlightenment might be, and just generally wanting ecstasy, and some kind of end to the constant suffering of life. This is an attachment in itself, that I now recognize as having blocked me from recognizing reality. The orientation has changed: From wanting to feel better, to a furious, intense desire to realize the truth, even if it results in my own dissolution.
blah blah blah - I wont bore you with any more details. What Iām saying though, in essence, is that LU was a really important catalyst for a direct, experiential shift in spiritual practice, and it also completely blew up my certainty about sense of identity. Not having a clear belief about who I am anymore, and then being curious to find out, has opened the door for a more direct experience of reality.
I think this is some pretty important progress, and LU was the valuable catalyst for this.
But I think LU should come with a disclaimer saying ājust because youāve eradicated the erroneous belief that you are an individual self, doesnāt mean you are enlightened, or really even liberated, there is a hell of a lot more work to doā. lol.
totally agree with this statement
in your case it happened because you were readyā¦LU had no role in itā¦even LU is not in control
More sceptical view.
I visited this site. It promises to give liberation though Internet conversation (answering to guide questions) during 2-3 weeks time, sometimes faster. Enough examples on the site where people became āliberatedā as they say.
Looks like mind games to me. May be useful as small assisting tool, but nothing more. Also what striked me - guides ask maximum honesty from novices (itās understandable); but no information on guides themselves is given.
Dear Yuri,
What is available there is not full enlightenment but non the less a great shift that helps our self inquiry a step further. That is all.
Love,
Ananda
I see it this way as well, there are all the infinite assumptions and conclusions people, including those who recognize that it is all just arising in a field of consciousness (and see no I) have made about the world/ existence, that will come back to visit for all eternity, until the illusions are seen through. Ironically, this often includes fixed thoughts and ideas about other people, i.e judgements about the world, etc.
It would seem that most if not all people have had the experience of seing past a limiting view about another person, situation, previously held belief, etc. until understanding is expanded by becoming less limited. For example, seeing that there is no āIā can come long before seeing that a certain situation or object may not be as it seems. Or that there are deeper dimensions of understanding that can arise about the surrounding world/ universe. The latter I see as continuing on indefinitely. The universe is a living, changing phenomena and an open mind will also continue to let go of previous perceptions and become a smoother and more efficient operator in the world of form.
Iām operating on the belief, assumption and experience that, in fact, the truth of self is a paradox: the individual ego DOES exist as an extension of the ONE. Since awareness can identify a single flicker within a fire full of flames, can you truly deny either the single flame or the entire fireās existence? The whole depends upon the individual, and the individual upon the whole. A paradox.
I agree with you both, great inputs. Thank you for sharing dear ones
Dear Bodhi, you remind me of the words of Sri Ramana on the non existence of a doer in all this. Someone asks him how to realize that there really is no doer and Sri Ramana suggests to either just do stuff and realize right then and there that stuff are done without a doer or thereās the second approach to realize that āAll is done through you by God.ā
Iāve personally chosen the latter
Love,
Ananda