Hello everyone,
I wanted to bring this out before it gets lost It got longer than I thought it would be
There is a man, I like him very much, named Hans Neukomm. This man was my answer several years ago after heaving read the Autobiography of a Yogi and after my INTENSE wish to get to kow the kriya yogic techniques. Somehow life lead me to his homepage: www.kriyayoga.com
But to my surprise I couldn’t find the techniques, only his hints that it is there somewhere, but one has to find it! And that this finding it would be a godly happening after having read all the homepage and all its lessons of love. It took me 6 months to read through the homepage and then by luck (grace) find the entry to the diksha page This happened about 9 years ago!! Me being about 18 years old.
I started practicing the kriya that was described there, but somehow did skip over some of its elements, especially maha mudra and also yoni mudra. Navi was done here and there sparingly, my main interest was the kriya pranayama. But as instructed by his site I started with the mental variation aka OM only.
Increasing the rounds of mental kriya pranayama aka what you would call Gurunath’s omkar kriya or OM-technique, intense transformation started to happen. All senses got alive, intense energy started to express and moments of intense joy and bliss started to sneak into daily happening. Then being young and empowered by the increasing energy, the amount of mental kriya pranayamas started to increase to 24, 36, up to 108. Not going with the recommendation of Hans, I increased the amounts week by week instead of month by month because all I wanted is to quickly become one with god. Not in 5 years like Hans, but why not in some months was the mindset. Why not today?
Then the problems started: Extreme burning in the chakras, intense energy flows, very stiff body. The increased chakra activity started to refine the perceptions to intense degrees. My own thoughts were suddenly visibly floaing in the air which frightened me because back then the identification with the thoughts were huge! So how can they continue floating in the air, do they belong to themselves and who am I looking at them? Crazy insights started, a little too much for a boy back then But all of this was ok. The real problems came with the nights, suddenly astral beings were interacting with me and this was too frightening.
Back then I did not know that kriya yoga must be practiced with all its elements and in correct amounts So the continuing search, reading and then landing at AYP happened. AYP has expanded my view about spiritual practices endlessly. The story of how it went with AYP some here know.
At some point, Gurunath picked me up. It was summer 2009. Before going to him, 2-3 months before I had restarted with Hans kriya but again not doing the whole set and only the mental kriya pranayama. I wanted to prepare for the first meeting with Gurunath and surely it did help a lot. Back then I also practiced intense amounts of nadi sodhana and bhastrika with kumbhaka. Gurunath’s kriya was a blessing. In the beginning I practiced the whole sequence, but later on skipped his maha mudra and other parts like paravastha etc. So what was the result? Again instablity. Adding maha mudra changed the whole thing!!
Later having tested out other spiritual systems, kriyayogic variants etc. it became clear that there is a reason why it is a set of practices. They are not options but a must for the whole thing to work. Then some of the AYP members here have started the great quest of exploring kriya yoga to find the original of Lahiri. Some even went visiting Ashok Singh, some do have intentions to visit Shinbedu Lahriri. After reading Will Power’s report it made click here that what Hans teaches is most probably Lahiri’s original kriya. And now after further investigation I feel like Hans kriya is identical to Shibendu Lahiri’s and that it is indeed the one original kriya yoga of Lahiri, available online in front of our nose since 1997!!! :))) And we all succesfully missed to recognize it
As lately some comments here came regarding Lahiri’s orig kriya, actually it is nothing else than Hans kriya yoga which one can download via the torrent system. Due to maintanance costs Hans decided to make an offline version of his homepage and clean it and make it more organized and easy to read. Here you can find more instructions on how to download the homepage including the diksha page to kriya yoga: http://www.kriyayoga.com/Spiritual_Treasures.html#.UvwD2MFeOc0
What to say, ~5 weeks of the practice of Hans kriya as an experience report:
This time I did it correctly, no overdoing and all practices as given by Hans Due to the years long practice of Gurunath’s kriya I started with ~ the same amounts of kriya pranayama. This means twice daily 36. And also this time I directly went into the second stage of the kriya pranayama which is OM + breath. Back thn I could not breath in and out long enough, which has changed over the years, so the practice was very easy right from day one.
In short, Hans kriya consists of
- Maha mudra (preparing the body, heating up Muladhara)
- Navi kriya (addressing Manipura at the navel and the spine)
- Kriya pranayama (adressing chakras 1 to 6 with mantra and breath)
- Yoni mudra (pratyahara and dharana into kutastha, leading to meditation and samadhi)
All in all this yoga is complete, it takes on all the limbs of yoga except Yama and Niyama which Hans as a supplement does deliver by his teachings of love
Hans has left out talabya and kechari mudra with the explanation, that god can be realized without it aswell. He says that it can help, but that it needs to be relearned in every incarnation, so that it would be better to keep the focus on melting the karma in God’s love by the practice of kriya and the application of the teachings of love.
Starting the practice of Hans kriya, it became clear how simple it is in comparison to the later alterations of kriya yoga. There is no visualization, you have four simple techniques which are like an atom bomb in cause and effectAnd nothing is really missing, except the crown adressing of Gurunath’s or Hariharananda’s kriyas. But if one would not know the crown effects one would not look for them anyway and the joy of kutastha is unbelievable
Practicing one session I experienced a peak state of Gurunath’s left over kriya effects and Hans kriya, entering a strong nondual state based upon intense activity of kutastha. The nondual state does not dissolve space as it happens when the crown is active. It is more like you are highly centered in the physical body but the physical body expands to become the whole space and time. Not that its boundaries get lost, but instead of the physical body being your body, the whole space-time becomes your body with the center in the human body. Hard to describe
Then this joy of now sneaking and exploding in again and again. And then the rememberance of how much ENERGY and POWER this kriya produces. This can lead to excessive usage of the body and mind, making intense movements, intense activities that can get a little unhealthy aswell. The good news is, together with maha mudra and navi and yoni these moments of imbalance were in the amounts of seconds or maximum 1-2 minutes few times per day. Ater 3-4 days the physical body had adapted and the whole combination became smooth 99% of the day.
After one week Gurunath’s left over effects had diminished enough to get a clear picture of Hans kriya and the result in daily life. Even though I was heavily ill due to some viruses, te body mind was very strong and could still do lots of things. The perception started to refine in ways we know of mantra practices in general. The joy of now was getting more and more intense, pronounced and make this body-mind here jump around out of joy for hoursInsights of Hans, Shibendu and so on started to appear and could be verified as true. Among them that this kriya leads fastly into GOD-contact and that from there on the guidance becomes clear and easy. With Gurunaths kriya I communed more with Gurunath as one with God, while with this kriya I communed with presence as God. While adressing presence via other methods like awareness based meditation did remain quite impersonal as a peace and bliss presence, the communion with presence after the practice of Hans kriya was more personal. It was like presence was the person, speaking to you with all and everything in a personal way, not indirectly or impersonal but like me and you. Hard to describe
It feels like this happens due to the third eye activity aka the intense kutastha adressing at the end of the practice. Even though there is nonduality, duality is still there. It is nonduality in duality. Space remains, time remains, savikalpa is the dominant samadhi. While addressing the crown nonduality is so refined that space and time dissolve, concepts of body, seperation, structure all dissolve in impersonal transcendental peace-bliss. This kind of transcendence did not happen with Hans’ kriya. But the good part is, the whole thing was VERY stable and balanced and the progression into ever more intense and complete god communion became very easy due to the intense amount of energy that was generated. Thanks to maha mudra and navi and yoni all remained pretty smooth.
Then after 3 weeks the try to increase to 72 kriya pranayamas twice daily. The result was, wooow, exactly as with Gurunath’s kriya, the whole thing starts to get interesting between 72-144 kriyas dailyIn both kriyas this is the range where obviously the third layer of kundalini becomes active, resting in enormuous ecstatic responses in the spine, heating up of Muladhara and the rise of this ecstatic energies to the brain center. Walking around after the kriya feels like one has entered into a different reality, strong, vital, graced by gods joy and guidance, living like an intense wild and rebellous child of god. And so much of joy and so much of love started to express though this body and mind that it was clear this is the bomb
The same also does happen with Gurunath’s kriya in this amount range, but there are two big differences. The one is, Gurunath’s kriya takes about 50% more practice time for the same overall intensity but on the other side it is much smoother aswell. Hans kriya gets a little intense and tense for the body-mind, means minor burning in the chakras and nadis and unbalanced intense body-mind-movements over the edge can happen. But ok, my fault, as Hans suggestion is always to increase in 12er steps per month and what happened here was a doubling from one day to another. Gurunath’s kriya remains smooth no matter how fast you scale up, it is the king in this regard, but it also takes more practice time.
A big suprise for me was, that I could continue studying, doing daily work with intense energy and joy backed up without having problems in the execution of the tasks. This was different back then where other kriya elements were skipped. Even though a massive amount of mantra is put into the chakras, due to the combination of body movements, breath and attention movement the whole thing is assimilated nicely by the body. Doing the kriya pranayama without breath is more intense, but gets very fast very unhealthy here. So adding the breath to the mantra was the magic combination and formula for smoothness and overall for the working of this kriya yoga.
Some days into 72 twice daily life somwhoe managed to skip the evening session and still the kriya effect continued till the next day. Because of the massive amount of mantra, sleep is reduced, time is expanded and the practice session itself feels very long. Remaining in the present moment becomes automatic and the joy and bliss makes clear, that the progressive direction is nr.1
1 hour of Hans’ kriya =~ 1.5 hour of Gurunath’s kriya
Hans’ kriya: Strong kutastha focus, more mental energy, more intense life happening possible without fatigue
Gurunath’s kriya: Balanced chakra focus including crown, more pranic energy, more precise penetrationg of sushumna, most smoothness… More sleep need, less mental energy than Hans kriya
Hariharananda’s kriya as taught by Manga, Peter: Strong crown focus, less mental and pranic energy than the other two, less rejuvenation of the body, most need for sleep, but the fastest entry into nondual enlightenement
With Gurunath’s and Hsns’ kriya you somehow become a small god, not yet enlightened, but not a normal human anymore aswell. With Hariharananda’s kriya (KYI style) you remain human, but enter enlightenement very fast. This at least was the repeated experience here.
All kriya yoga variants have advantages. Disadvantags only appear when comparing, otherwise if you do not know, there is no problemAll remain smooth and healthy when practiced correctly as adviced. The self pacing knowledge of AYP is still valuable at all times
So why was Lahiri’s kriya in font of our eyes for so many years and nonone has recognized it? The reason may be, Hans has packaged it a little differently. He is against the guru disciple relationship and more for direct god contact. God = guru. Among all the kriya gurus he speaks well of Shibendu and suggests to learn the kriya from him if it must be a physical guru. Otherwise he directs to his own teaching and making god the only and primal guru to be found in nirvikalpa samadhi in kutastha after some years of intense kriya yoga practice together with the application of the teachings of love
I loved Hans for the reason that he had practiced this kriya for 5 years and that’s it, job finishedAccording to him it takes about 20-30k hours of this kriya to reach godrealization. Some calculation for you:
20k - 30k = ~ 833 - 1250 days = ~ 2,3 - 3,4 years of nonstop practice
According to Gurunath it takes about 3 years if you practice 24 hours per day which would match this number of 20-30kSo deviding this number further into practice amounts:
12h per day would be =~ 4,6 - 6,8 years
8h per day would be =~ 6,9 - 10,2 years
4h per day would be =~ 13,8 - 20,4 years
We know a number from Pranabananda, who practiced 8 hours per day for 6 years.
My practice routine with twice daily 36 took about 1h per session, which is like peanuts in comparison to what I practiced with Gurunath’s kriyaBut it was pretty nice! Satisfaction was very high and it felt like this can go a long route. It would obviously be enough for reaching god union in this life, but who can wait so long
Twice daily 72 took about 1,5h per session = ~3 hours. It was in line with what I practiced most of the times and this was a little intense already. For the same overall intensity with Gurunaths kriya you are at about 2,25 hours per session.
Here at AYP people are used to practice 10-30 minutes per session, so these numbers are quite high. But the difference is, these amounts can be practiced pretty easily as the kriyas give immense energy to make it more and more an easy thing. Secondly those who know the nice overloads of DM will be suprised that Lahiri’s orig kriya with lots of mantra usage remains pretty smooth for at least this body-mind here with all the nice mantra effects of efficiency, intensity, strength and power in daily life and so much joy and bliss.
A lot of people speak badly about Hans on the net, the main reason for this may be that he broke the rule of giving the kriyas orally and directly and that he does not mention a lineage. We all know that Yukteswar, Hariharananda, Gurunath have made changes to kriya yoga in this or that way. And when practicing their kriyas, wonderful things happen. At least for me it is clear, the moment someone reaches the goal of yoga with a set of practices, he is authorized enough to be a source of teaching that yoga. Shibendu is also said to not be allowed to teach it, and yet you see his godliness in the youtube vids, his extreme joy explosions. People practice his kriya and also become one with god (see Hans :). Gurunath also is a special case, hinting at his lineage in some youtube vids, but because of his alteration and unique combo you will not hear much lineage speech from him. I love and repsect all those who make an effort to help people reaching the goal of yoga after having reached it themselves.
Yogani and Hans do share a lot of things, both do exist similiarly long on the net and both have taught a set of yogic practices and both have a forum (Hans’ forum is down since 2 years together with the old complete homepage, but one can read it offline after the torrent download). Both do answer mails, even though Hans prefers a phone call for reasons of efficiency. Both have written directly from their experience and godly insights and both do support the practitioners of their yogic system very much. Yogani more through the forums and mails, Hans more directly via phone and also very directly by his presence.
Several times I had the impression Hans was with me with his presence and fom time to time giving some kind of a love lessonHe loves to make you see and learn more about love and god and also seems to be very much personally active with practitoners of his kriya. And this beyond the scope of his physical body. If one focuses upon Hans, he comes and helps, that was my experience several times.
So why I’m back at Gurunath’s kriya, God alone must know. He once again came in the night and picked me up with his pranapath aka breathing through my spinal chord several times. And instantly I was back to his kriyaWhat can I do if he does not let me
Nothing speaks against the orig kriya of Lahiri, but obviously here some kind of intense connection with a guru has happened, nothing can be done as it seems.
Still I wanted to make clear, that Lahiri’s orig kriya can be learned by Hans and that it works VERY NICELY and that it is pretty much in line with AYP Yoga in terms of efficiency and online availability. What is clearly missing with Hans’ kriya is a group of people like in this forum. An active community did never build around him, which may change over the years perhaps, who knows.
Here comes also an invitation to all those who have problems with DM but are not satisfied with AYP breath meditation. Give Hans kriya a try, at least for this body mind here it works very nicely. My amount tip for AYP practitoners would be to start with the suggested Hans amounts of 12 kriya pranayamas. The whole set may take about 30-40 minutes. With 36 kriyas being somewhere around 1 hour including 5 min rest.
That’s it from here
Peace and love to all!