Thanks Everyone!
@Ananda: “similar results like the ones you mentioned are very rare… Yet they’ve happened with me more than once in the past…”
—Wonderful, thanks for sharing your experience with me.
@TTN: “I agree that those are usually one-offs, even as dire as those bitchslaps seem at the time, they don’t seem to be recurring”
—Thank you too for sharing your experience here. Seems like the consensus is that these are usually one off events.
@Bodhi: “It’s nice when there’s no voice at all–just inner silence leading the way. But when the voice does speak to me, I release it into stillness, contemplatively, spontaneously, and lovingly. The release of the little voice (or big one, depending on the circumstance) brings the liberation.”
—Yes, the voice is not always talking. In fact it is actually somewhat rare. It usually comes up when I really need to pay attention to something. Unfortunately “the voice” (aka “the inner guru”) is always quiet and subtle and I’m very much conditioned to only paying attention to things that are obvious. This has changed a lot over the years, but I still catch myself ignoring the inner guru on occasion simply because it is so gentle.
“And who’s to say what the “norm” is? It’s all just scenery and different templates for the mind to operate from. If you favor and give attention to a certain template/modality/framework, it will recur.”
—With regards to “the norm”… I’m just talking about consciousness and energy moving into yet another level of increased subtlety/sensitivity.
But, I must say, that NOT paying attention to our “template/modality/framework” is a great way to allow them to continue playing out unconsciously. In my experience, its only by paying attention to our framework (and THEN letting go of it) that we become fully aware of our human tendencies and begin to unwind them.
@Kami:
@Maheswari: “Carson your body at that moment was better off without this second cup!!..next time your body might need this second cup”
—I totally agree. I’ve stopped (as much as possible anyway) trying to set generic rules for myself. I no longer say “I don’t do this” or “I always do that” etc etc because I know that I am capable of doing anything and not doing anything all the same, depending on the moment.
@Jeff: A great reminder, thank you.
@Etherfish: There are different voices (IMO). “The Heart Voice,” whatever you want to call it, is always right (for me) in my experience. It has never led me astray and (at least in hindsight) it is pretty easy to distinguish from all the “mental voices.”
Thanks again for all the great conversation friends!!
Love!
Carson
It’s a great place to stand; when life bitchslaps you; you learn to love it. You’re thankful for it’s teachings.
So true. Well said.
Hi Carson, maybe that particular coffee sucked or had something wrong with it? Maybe not. I used to gamble an awful lot, mostly why I’m financially screwed now. I’d hear little voices all the time (and sometimes a big, ugly, bent-nose’s voice saying pay-up) but I’d ignore them. I think I was thinking but if I gave this up what will I do? Hmmmmmmmmm. I finally cut out most of my gambling and drinking and smoking AND now I sit around a lot wondering “what’s there to do?”.
Ah surrender
The still, small voice is beyond the voice telling you to do this and that. You are just hearing your internal chatter fitting with your expectations. Would a more enlightened person drink coffee ? If yes, then stop drinking coffee goes the internal chatterbox. If you ignore it then it is just another voice you missed telling you to ignore the first one fun huh ?
Well, there really are no voices telling me what to do; that was a metaphor. My inner guru communicates more by perception. I feel that I need a way out, and I see a gate in front of me. It's more like feeling answered by a situation. There is a whole series of needs followed by gates, then I decide I want to do something different and don't use a gate, and turn to the side instead. Of course, each answer is not really a gate, but a situation fulfilling whatever the need was. It's like a navigator for me. You don't have to follow everything a navigator says; it will always re-calculate.
Ah surrender
The still, small voice is beyond the voice telling you to do this and that. You are just hearing your internal chatter fitting with your expectations. Would a more enlightened person drink coffee ? If yes, then stop drinking coffee goes the internal chatterbox. If you ignore it then it is just another voice you missed telling you to ignore the first one fun huh ?
Well, there really are no voices telling me what to do; that was a metaphor. My inner guru communicates more by perception. I feel that I need a way out, and I see a gate in front of me. It's more like feeling answered by a situation. There is a whole series of needs followed by gates, then I decide I want to do something different and don't use a gate, and turn to the side instead. Of course, each answer is not really a gate, but a situation fulfilling whatever the need was. It's like a navigator for me. You don't have to follow everything a navigator says; it will always re-calculate.
You are aware of a feeling which pulls this way and that way. Sometimes it manifests as a voice, other times it seems inherently obvious when bodily needs call for attention or danger appears. The still voice is silent and imparts no direction and does not prohibit any. It endures with you but remains untouched and untainted by any action and it seeks none. It is unconditional love without boundary, music without sound, it illuminates of itself without a source of light , it is stillness dancing and only requires the smallest move towards it, a gentle introversion of the senses and yet is easily drowned out by the slightest outward gesture or internal thought. The internal Guru guides like a unswerving arrow, but doesn't point out a direction. Instead it tries to get you to see properly. Wax on, wax off :grin: . The way of the warrior was never about combat or mental strength, but about building a sightless vision, effortless action and total tranquility with outgoing, pure, unconditional love. So, the gates we go through are just exercise, all part of the digging which requires all the senses and energies to be directed and focused until it is seen that no digging has ever happened, there was no path at all, but that doesn't mean we can rest up, only that we have found the focus, the heart, the centre and the moment. If digging stops it will once again be clouded and obscured even when it is always right there.
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A very fine elucidation, Karl. Thank you.
Thanks Karl, sounds beautiful but I don’t understand what you are saying. i don’t feel a need to though, maybe later sometime.
I agree with Maheswari, repetition points to moral consciousness.
I’ve noticed that coffee also blocks my heart, however, as my work is strongly head oriented, I sometimes use coffee to sharpen focus, but it does create energetic consequences.
I’ve yet to view Karma as bitch-slapping.
If I don’t see the door, and ignore my intuition, I will hit the wall. No karmic retribution there.
Intuition is another pair of eyes. If we use it, it helps avoid more obstacles that otherwise. I find Intuitional warnings often come a second or five before an incident.
Karma is merely the habit of walking blind.
Namaste
This type of thing has been the norm for me, lately, I feel like the plaything of Shakta and Shivi! (An inner voice told me to use Shakta [and not Shakti.])
You are really taking this thing much too seriously Carson, I’m afraid.
You are not responsible for listening to every whisper that the universe makes, but this certainly has been an enlightening post.
Regarding the dog poop thing, I’ve had the same exact thing happen. The soul (i.e., anima ) can tempt us to moods I suppose; she has a very important purpose, though. Sometimes, Shakti and Shiva will mess with me just to see if I’ll think for myself. Other times, they’ll tell me something I actually need to know or do. Learning the difference is “par for the course,” and, sometimes, I don’t even think it is possible to tell the difference.
Anywho…
… did you really need to go see an acupuncturist?? Wow, man up, bro!
Hi Carson
It seems to me that the result of drinking the coffee is simply physiological, especially as we become more sensitive both energetically and physically. So this seems a bit different than a so called karmic reaction, which can often seem unconnected with the cause.
As our awareness increases we see things like this more clearly and hence thoughts arise in association with this clear seeing, is this intuition or clear seeing or both?
Of course we are so conditioned that even though we see something like this our habits can still kick in and then of course we suffer.
The greater our awareness the greater our sensitivity and the stakes get higher and higher, but that’s the road we are on.
That’s my experience of it anyway.
Love
The dance gets difficult.
For me I haven’t noticed with coffee or tea as I usually feel body pain God knows for whatever that reasons may be if I drink Coffee so I dont drink coffee but I love the smell and I sometimes take a sip but while taking a sip somewhere in the mind yes I hear that voice say No but I still keep doing it.About the little voice I do here it many times telling me not to do that thing eg when I am going to take my cutleries to kitchen suddenly I hear a voice don’t take it and then I get a fraction of second vision like I see it all shattered and broken in the kitchen.When I dont heed that little voice it ends up the same way i saw.
As for eating food yes when I eating pizza’s I get this voice which says dont eat not good for you but I still end up eating.Then in the end I vomit.
When you hear a voice telling you not to eat something, but you really want it, try cutting off a small piece, just a couple bites, and put the rest away. Then eat very slowly, tiny bites, and see if you can enjoy it as much as if you ate the whole thing. It works for me.
omg yes, I dont want to share any examples right now, but this happens on a daily basis for me, which I now enjoy and thank the Universe for sending me clear messages. Hit me over the head as much as you have to! I can take it… ;0