Hi Christi
About tantra I don’t get one thing.How for example looks a month schedule ( if i can say that) of experienced yogi looks like assuming that one is doing yoga practises with addition of tantra practises. For example is it sex with partner for example for 3-4 hours without orgasm and then what? just going back to normal daily life and for example next sex session after couple days again without orgasm? how long it could be to make occasional sex without release of sperm ( a month , couple months)? my biggest question is - if the sex without orgasm is finished then isn’t this a problem that the state of sexual arousal stays for a daily life and is very uncomfortable - doesn’t one feel a need to release? when someone should use orgasm without sperm release in this schedule? I read about tantra around here in AYP but this is still unclear for me.I would be thankful for some light on this. Thank you.
Hi Taotanvir,
Anyone can become excessive about any activity. So someone could practice tantric sexual techniques to excess, in the same way that they could practice any sexual activity to excess. What is excessive, depends very much on the person, and the state of their subtle nervous system. For people who are very sensitive, even a little tantric sexual practice could be excessive and they would need to self-pace carefully.
The same goes for addictive tendencies. Some people are particularly prone to becoming addicted to things and it can be a problem for them. Others can do the same activity without any addiction playing a part in what they are doing. They are simply able to enjoy the practice that they are doing, when they are doing it and then let it go. This is one of the reasons it is recommended to become well established in meditation before beginning a tantric sexual practice. Meditation cultivates the witness, which enables us to be able to function in the world without attachment. Then, even when very pleasant things are happening, we can regard them with equanimity and not become addicted to them.
Tantric sexual practices do not effect sperm production.
Hi JJJ,
Everyone is at a different stage in terms of their awakening and purification process, so it is not possible to say what a typical “experienced yogi” who practices tantric sex does. But certainly what you describe here could be the case for some people. Some could even do this every day (practicing sex with a partner for 3-4 hours without orgasm), without an issue. The act of love making changes over time and it becomes less about what we normally think of in terms of sex, and more of a beautiful exchange of energies between two people. There is a flow of energy that goes up through one person and down through the other and also a flow of energy between the two hearts. It becomes as much about love and about ecstasy as it is about sex. The sexual aspect could even fall away all together, with only the ecstatic love remaining, even whilst the two lovers are still embracing each other.
How long this could be done for, without any release of sperm, again depends on the person and their stage of development. For some people it would become an issue after just a few days, or a week. Others, who are sublimating all of the energy and all of the sexual fluids, and who have a highly purified subtle neurobiology, may not ever need to release sperm. Everything is taken up inside and is transformed into amrita in the higher centres.
A state of sexual arousal can remain permanently, without it being a problem. Over time we become used to it. As sexual arousal expands to fill the whole body and merges with stillness (inner silence), it becomes what we call ecstatic-bliss. So, it is possible to function in an orgasmic state of ecstatic-bliss and divine-love in daily life 24/7. This is the fruit of tantric sexual practices, when combined with an effective full-scope yogic practice over many years. At this stage, even the tantric sexual practices are not necessary. The full-body orgasmic state will remain, triggered simply be very simple things such as raising the eyes into shambhavi, or seeing a sunset, or your lovers hand brushing against yours accidentally.
Take it one step at a time and it will all unfold quite naturally.
Christi
Taotanvir, if I may offer an observation, you have a very young and strong Bhakti (desire) that you wish to express through sex. The beautiy of yoga is that you can do just that, and then aim it at the Divine. But to do so, you need to meditate first, no way around it. This it what you invest that Bhakti in, and do not worry about anything else until a practice is established, and you know witness.
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Hi Dogboy,
I got your observation.
But the entire energy process be it pre-orgasmic sex or masturbation with holdback method seems to pose more problems for me than actually solving it. The real struggle I’m facing is that even without natural sexual urges like random erections or my body trying to tell me it’s horny, my mind/inner voice is constantly desiring to engage in stimulation. Since I dont have a partner I masturbate and I do it without climaxing (no ejaculation) it is almost like an addiction and guess what even after say an hour of sexual energy cultivation the desire doesn’t come down in fact the fire starts burning with much more intensity of lust and pornography.
It is almost insatiable this habit I’ve gotten myself into. And the worst part is that in that moment my intellect my body my common sense my logical mind everything complies with it and I keep on stroking until all the energy from the penis is drawn away into the rest of the body or some pre-cum gets released from the penis.
I realize that my whole body starts dripping in sweat and that’s when my urge comes down as the erection gets weak ans it feels as if I burnt 200 calories doing cardio when I was actually just standing and breathing all the sexual energy upwards. Issues start with a lot of white semen geta seen in the bladder. Bowel movements seem different and more obsttuctive and then there is fatigue with aches and sttetching pains in the kidneys above the hips back/rib region. Also I lose chest muscle and waist size.
So this is why I am confused and am desperately searching for the right guidance and anawers.
My mind tells me to engage in such tantric sexual cultivation whilst I feel guilty and bad about wasting hours of my day not gaining much. Moreover I lose my energy and my muscular physique. Its a bad addiction i know. BUt i know that somewhere along this path there are benefits to be derived maybe it will come after years of prctice. Cause in the back of my mind there is some pece associated with rising sexual energy from the perineum.
I just don’t know how to improve my condition without spoiling my natural sexual function or puy my fertility at stake for my future sex life for some abstract advantages of extra prana from my masturbation habits?
Any answers are appreciated!
Hello everybody,
On a different note entirely,
Do solo tantric sexual practices like masturbation using holdback technique or preorgasmic sex withdrawal before ejaculation affect athletic performance or our growth hormones?
There are sources that have found that people who do these practices regularly can reduce their chances of gaining weight or putting on muscle in the gym?
Also does sexual activity take a toll on our height? Like can it stunt our full potential height or weight that otherwise we were to reach genetically?
I am worried as I am 22 YO now… But have been inclined to solo tantra and breathing exercise since the last 3 years… I am 5’9 and 75 kgs. Somehow I feel as though if I had never masturbated or activated my prostate ad sexual fluids I would have reached a minimum of 5’11 or 6 feet.
Any thoughts on this from young practitioners at AYP?
Thanks!
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You say you are confused and seeking answers. Christi has done just that, in short:
Stop your tantric practices all together.. Do not retain your seed at this time. You already know the effects from this, yet you persist on engaging in discussion on these practices.
Stabilize your system with grounding, diet, and service to others.
Seek help for your addictive tendencies.
After you stabilize, begin a dedicated meditation practice.
Thanks Dogboy!
I am going to stop my tantric masturbation asap. How much time do you think its going to take for me to get back to natural functioning sexuality?
The kinds that have no side effects or symptoms of PE or ED.
Will I recover from the damage by adopting a meditation practice and abstaining from sex altogether. For how long though?
It takes as long as it takes, and only you can do the work. Do not worry about ED or PE right now; a dedicated DM practice may help either one over time. We are all different neuro-biologically so there is no one-size-fits-all timeline. Do not abstain from sex, in fact, at this time, do not hold back ejaculation at all; the loss of semen may help calm down your system.
To be honest, you need to acknowledge that your sexual attachments (pornography, directing sexual energies), and the extremes you tend to place on expressing sexuality (brahmacharya) are causing you distress. A dedicated meditation practice will help you get beyond this. Perhaps those attachments are at the root of PE and ED.
My recommendation is to start here first: https://www.aypsite.org/10.html. and direct/dedicate your arousal to your twice-a-day sessions. And if horniness overcomes you at times, do not withhold semen or allow sexual arousal to go beyond five or ten minutes at this time. As your practice takes hold, only then do you consider withhold it on occasion. The sexual part of your being will work out over time as you improve your spiritual self.
Thanks Dogboy!
I am going to keep all of that in mind in the future.
Do you suggest to adopt a specific diet for the process?
I consume 6 eggs, chicken, veggies, curd, almonds, bananas everyday. Any inputs on that? And how about hitting the gym for an hour every day. Is that a good thing or exhaustive?
Christi,
I am not sure if I am having too much prana in the body. Is excessive sweating a sign of that?
I have started a half an hour meditatiion practice every day.
Today, however, I experimented with the holdback and blocking method and had nee findings. I’d like to share and get your views on it:
- For the holdback to be a success according to the lesson by Yogani one must stop stimulation way ahead of orgasm to move the energy. Now if holdback is applied obviously blocking is not required as there will not be any orgasmic contractions to block. Holdback close to orgasm is still possible to not go over the edge.
- Now I did go over the edge but in a manner what could be called as a perfect non ejaculatory orgasm without any contractions in the pelvis and no semen coming out. Just the sensation of the orgasm. Is this how it is supposed to be executed? I haven’t urinated after that so I don’t know if my semen has been redirected to the bladder or not.
Are we supposed to stop well short of this experience or let it unfold by itself keeping the block ready at the final go? How close is pre orgasmic sex to this?
I’ve been striving towards completing my spiritual journey for years and now I’m at a stage where I am beginning to attain non-ejaculatory sex, but unfortunately my Zen master is unable to help me figure out what my next steps should be. May I humbly ask for advice on how I should proceed going forward?
Hi Taotanvir,
The advice given for pre-orgasmic sex is to stay well in front of anything that could be called a climax. So, that would include staying away from orgasm, whether it is ejaculatory or non-ejaculatory.
However in practice, it is all about the question of energy loss. If energy is not being lost, then there is no issue.
See this forum post by Yogani on this matter:
Christi
Hi Alstra,
Welcome to the forums. 
See the tantra pages on this website starting here. They will guide you through the path of pre-orgasmic sex in a step-by-step fashion.
Christi