"Iron Body," Self-Flagellation, Fever, Connective Tissue, Kundalini

Before beginning AYP, I did some Chinese qigong-type exercise related to martial arts.

One practice I attempted to teach myself without much success, but which I’ve periodically come back to over the years is “iron body.” So-called “iron body” practices are more than just toughening up the physical body to take blows without pain/less damage, though that is the martial application; rather, they seem to be a kind of purifying practice that involves drawing on sexual energy/kundalini to strengthen the full body connection (something like full-body mudra) of the nerves, muscles, fascia, etc. at a subtle level.

There are 3-4 basic elements of “iron body” systems I have seen (I am using Sanskrit/Yoga terms where I find they overlap with the practices because they may be more familiar to AYP practitioners and I don’t always know an equivalent Chinese term):

  1. Brahmacharya: it is generally strongly recommended by iron body teachers to avoid orgasm during a period of iron body training. A common recommendation is 100 days of abstinence for a 100-day course of iron body training, followed by e.g., a 3-month break.

  2. Mulabandha-like techniques for “drawing up” sexual energy: the iron body systems I have seen generally all involve some kind of “lifting” of the pelvic area, like mulabandha or, for male practitioners, intentionally lifting and holding the testicles in a high position while adopting a horse stance, sometimes paired with e.g., shambhavi. In more extreme practices, actual weights are tied around the genitals and suspended there (or, for female practitioners, suspended from a kind of “jade egg” held within the vagina), presumably with the goal of strengthening the ability to pull up against such weight. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND AGAINST THE WEIGHTED PRACTICE, especially without supervision of an experienced teacher (which I am not, so do not attempt to hang weights from your genitals based on this post, please). In my case, it caused pelvic spasms, a tendency toward varicocele (distended veins in the testicles) and other unpleasantness that took years to mostly resolve. The mulabandha-type practice without weight is probably enough.

  3. “Beating” the body using a cupped hand or implements such as this iron “whisk” thing. Typically after a time of “sucking up” sexual energy cultivated by brahmacharya and mulabandha type practices, the practitioner “slaps” him/herself all over the body with the hands or, more intensely, with implements such as that linked. Sometimes a bamboo/wood version and a metal version are used, with the wood thought to be a lighter stimulus that effects the outer skin and the metal, more penetrating. The theory is that the combination of brahmacharya and mulabandha-type practices activates the sexual energy/kundalini, and the “slapping” of the body “activates” it, expanding the energy throughout the body to protect and strengthen the body. It is said that if this is done without brahmacharya, bruising and other problems are more likely to result, whereas with brahmacharya, the body is “tougher” and grows tougher over time in response to this stimulus.

My personal experience with trying this again recently (primarily just slapping myself with this thing–not even necessarily doing the focused mulabandha thing, though I do that during my twice-daily AYP sitting practices) is that, especially when I have not had an orgasm recently, it tends to create a mildly pleasant tingling/energetic feeling in the slapped area, somewhat like a hot shower or massage. I have a thought that this might enable me to extend my brahmacharya time because the excess sexual energy may be channeled toward “rebuilding” from the minor damage incurred with the slapping rather than concentrating in the genital area and creating the urge for orgasm.

However, there is a catch I have noticed–something that made me give up on this years ago not related to the dangers of the weighted practice–namely, practicing this seems to give me a fever–that is, I will feel as if I am coming down with something and even spike a mild fever according to the thermometer, but then within several hours, the symptoms subside and I am okay. There is often a time lag–for example, the day before yesterday I slapped myself with the iron whisk, and then yesterday I started feeling like I was developing a cold or something, but it subsided by yesterday evening.

Now, I have read that mild fever and fever-like symptoms can be kundalini symptoms–signs of bodily purification. If this is the case, then this mild fever could be not necessarily a bad thing–perhaps even a good thing, if perhaps a symptom of overdoing/sign I should ramp up intensity more slowly.

One other complicating factor for myself: I have some kind of autoimmune condition that was recently greatly exacerbated by a vaccine injury. It is primarily skin-related with the biggest symptom being extreme sensitivity to the sun. If I get much sun exposure, I experience stinging, redness, rashes, body aches, and migraine-like symptoms. I have found some allergy medications that help with this somewhat, but am always trying to figure out ways to tone down my overreactive immune system and/or toughen up my skin/connective tissue. I have heard such problems may stem from a type of immune cell called “mast cell” that can be activated by all sorts of things, including physical stimulus like a slap. Having such problems may make me more prone to developing a strong reaction (fever) than most in response to this type of practice, but I also wonder if it doesn’t indicate that I could benefit more from “toughening up” my connective tissue.

I have noticed through automatic yogas occurring during sitting practices the gradual development of “full body mudra,” and I definitely don’t think this “iron body” practice is a substitute for the sort of subtle purification that occurs with e.g., dm, but I am wondering if this may be a good adjunct that could help me overcome some health challenges, further purify the body, and/or achieve longer periods of brahmacharya.

I also wonder if the “self-flagellation” practiced by e.g., Western monks, though ostensibly a type of mortification of the flesh, etc. might not actually serve a similar function? It could also help with the sexual urges, again by redirecting the energy to healing the extremities rather than concentrating them in the genitals. Though this might have been construed in some cases as a kind of “punishment” for “sin,” perhaps it actually worked like “iron body” as a way to “purify” the body?

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Hi Casey,

To be honest I’ve found that whenever I try out a non-AYP practice I tend to have some overload symptoms. This is because with the AYP system, we can get very good at finding our edge, and if we are good at self pacing we will be just below or at the edge of what we can comfortably handle in terms of purification at any given time.

For me this has meant that even playing around with lucid dreaming and active imagination techniques has caused excessive purification symptoms. My point being although the iron shirt practices may help in someways they may lead to overloading, but you’ll have to find that out yourself through experimentation.

I can sympathise with the overactive immune system problem, I have similar issues, I get keloid scars and have had other problems with skin just doing too good a job of healing itself and causing other problems! I can see why you would look for a cure elsewhere. I am hoping that the issue just magically resolves itself as time passes :man_facepalming:.

On self flagellation being useful for curbing sex drive, I’d stick to cold showers and grounding walks in the countryside personally, but to each their own! :smiling_face: (well maybe not the cold showers…..)

All the best,

Tom

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Dear Casey,

You seem to have a lot going on there - I would like to comment on self-flagellation. I went through a phase some years ago, when I felt the urge to self-flagellate (but did not) and finally understood why Christian monks did it as a practice (although you have now listed other possible reasons). It was Bhakti driven. My desire /longing for God was so intense, I intuitively felt that flagellation would be a means to build up the desire to a climax that releases into ecstatic bliss and radiance.

Now that I am describing it - I can see that it probably relates to the transformation of sexual energy. I did not see it as such back then.

Sey :pray:

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Hi Sey,

Thanks for sharing that experience! It is quite interesting and seems to confirm the interconnectedness of spiritual practices from around the world, though the interpretations obviously vary culturally. For those who might be interested in a gentler form of this practice, here is one example I have found.

Which is not to say there is any need to add such things on top of AYP, which, as Tom mentions, may result in overload, but if bhakti is driving one in that direction, or if, as in my case, there is a possible health benefit to be sought, using the hands to “pat” the body is probably the most gentle approach.

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Casey, I wanted to acknowledge your very clear communication style and deep curiosity. I appreciate individuals who share such rich content in a very thoughtful manner. I used to share in a similar way about 6 years ago when I joined the forum. One of the long standing members commented once when I asked why I seemed to be one of the few people posing the deep questions suggested the questions seem to become less and less as you proceed on the path. It’s nice to have new content to consider.

I recall after my kundalini awakening I searched for an explanation for what had happened and was directed to the works of Mantak Chia on another forum. He discussed these types of iron body practices. I tried a few of his suggestions long ago but found the content shared in a way that seemed unsafe for general consumption. I never tried the beating the body stuff you’ve outlined. There are so many practices out there that seem to induce intense physiologic reactions creating intrigue in seekers but also pose significant risks. AYP is a much more balanced set of practices that have proved more beneficial for me and seem to be safer for an open source spiritual practice. I’ve always been curious about what is actually happening neurophysiologicaly and believe much of your speculation is likely accurate.

I believe Western Medicine is not positioned to understand the complex interactions between esoteric practices and how they may be causal in disease. I have had 3 situations in my life where AYP practices have led to a medical problem due to my unique anatomy and physiology and how it
interacted with the practices. As an example, I’ve tolerated sitting in Siddhasana for years until I started having a pain in my lateral foot. I finally sought help from a Podiatrist as I was concerned about a shoe causing the problem. He told me it was an uncommon tendonitis of the peroneus brevis tendon of unknown cause. When I got home and sat in siddhasana I realized that was a cause of the tendonitis in me (likely exacerbated by tight hips). Switching to using a ball under the perineum solved that problem. He was an experience Podiatrist and it was off his radar. Additionally I developed a few conditions that seemed unrelated with my eyes after practicing Yoni Mudra Kumbaka for years. I started developing styes and then developed a vitreous body tear. The skilled Ophthalmologist told me it was likely unrelated to my Yoga practices. I should have asked him how often his patients with these conditions have shared they were practicing YMK and if it is even discussed in his circles. Even though I thought I was applying gentle pressure, I am convinced it was a factor.

With regards to your concerns about autoimmune photosensitive conditions, something I am familiar with as a physician, there isn’t any meaningful dialogue in the Dermatology community about the impact of Yoga practices on these types of conditions.

Ultimately I have come to realize there is no short cut to enlightenment. A consistent balanced set of practices does gradually work.

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I have a thought that the light self-flagellation could have the same effect as the warm-up exercise in the AYP asana set. Pulling the energy flow over the outer skin from the extremity to the heart. :thinking:

Sey

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I think you are right Sey. It probably will draw prana to the affected area, and is similar also in a way to ‘tapping’ practices In tai chi, and other related traditions on the Taoist spectrum.

I had an interesting experience a month or so ago, in bed an ecstatic current started to move between my root and third eye and I began to ‘tap’ my third eye repeatedly. This made the current gain strength exponentially until it felt like a bolt of electricity was drilling at the third eye. Then something gave way to bliss.

So tapping certainly attracted prana to the tapped location in this instance. However, the more interesting thing is that I was unsure whether this happened in the physical world or from dream/astral. I also questioned whether I had decided to tap or was it an automatic yoga. I am noticing this a lot recently, that I seem to be less attached to claiming authorship over my own thoughts and actions in certain instances.

It’s all just ‘experience’ isn’t it, if we have to call it anything at all? :joy:

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