1213 From: Mark Dahlby <bluephurba@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue Jul 5, 2005 11:56am
Subject: Re: Digest Number 122 bluephurba
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Randy wrote:
> If that is the extent of his investigation of this
> “phenonenon” then there was no real approach to
> investigating it at all. He merely observed and
> reported an anecdotal observation. Based on what is
> written below, he didn’t do any scientific
> investigation. No wonder he (Benson) had his own
> reservations initially about sharing his research.
> He didn’t do any.
Hi Randy,
There was more to it that that.
I’m in a hurry but here are a few references I pulled
out of Google:
Benson, H., J. Lehman, et al. (1982). “Body
Temperature Changes during the practice of g Tummo
yoga.” Nature 295: 234-236.
Benson, H., M. S. Malhotra, et al. (1990). “Three Case
Reports of the Metabolic and Electroencephalographic
Changes During Advanced Buddhist Meditation
Techniques.” Behavioral Medicine 16(2): 290-295.
Not sure if you can find back issues of either on the
net.
Interesting URLs. I’m running so can’t read to take
out redundant articles, sorry:
http://www.zhangzhung.net/blog/archives/2004/07/scientific_stud.html
http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2002/04.18/09-tummo.html
This one gives references to many studies:
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:8xqsfyrpj00J:www.iayt.org/site/publications/psychophysiology.
pdf+benson+tummo+research+published&hl=en&lr=lang_en%20target=nw
As soon as something is accepted in science - like the
ability to regulate biological function through
bio-feedback - it’s no longer thought of as a siddhi,
no? It becomes simply another capactity we all have,
which can be developed. Which is what siddhis really
are.
Best,
Mark
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1214 From: Randy Callaway <randycallaway@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue Jul 5, 2005 1:12pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 122 randycallaway
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Thanks Mark. I 've ordered his book, so I hope to get more information from that, but I read a preview of the first four or five pages and it is written more along the lines of a self help book, rather than from a scientific standpoint. Hopefully, there will be more in the meat of the book.
As a general question/response for the group at large, there has been some discussion why people who have the “ability” don’t demonstrate it and prove it scientificaly and/or win the $1,000,000.
The answer being they are on a “higher plane” and aren’t intersete
in the money or proving it. It seems to me regardless of their interest, proving it and allowing it to be studied would benefit all
mankind, and someone stepping forward to win the money could then donate it to a worthwhile charity. Therefore I wonder on what higher
plane this enlightenment is occuring? I still have an open mind and myself have experienced things that I attribute to biofeedback, which might mean it’s all semantics, but that would also take the mystery and mysticism out of it, which I think many are enamored with. Thoughts?
Mark Dahlby <bluephurba@yahoo.com> wrote:
Randy wrote:
> If that is the extent of his investigation of this
> “phenonenon” then there was no real approach to
> investigating it at all. He merely observed and
> reported an anecdotal observation. Based on what is
> written below, he didn’t do any scientific
> investigation. No wonder he (Benson) had his own
> reservations initially about sharing his research.
> He didn’t do any.
Hi Randy,
There was more to it that that.
I’m in a hurry but here are a few references I pulled
out of Google:
Benson, H., J. Lehman, et al. (1982). “Body
Temperature Changes during the practice of g Tummo
yoga.” Nature 295: 234-236.
Benson, H., M. S. Malhotra, et al. (1990). “Three Case
Reports of the Metabolic and Electroencephalographic
Changes During Advanced Buddhist Meditation
Techniques.” Behavioral Medicine 16(2): 290-295.
Not sure if you can find back issues of either on the
net.
Interesting URLs. I’m running so can’t read to take
out redundant articles, sorry:
http://www.zhangzhung.net/blog/archives/2004/07/scientific_stud.html
http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2002/04.18/09-tummo.html
This one gives references to many studies:
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:8xqsfyrpj00J:www.iayt.org/site/publications/psychophysiology.
pdf+benson+tummo+research+published&hl=en&lr=lang_en%20target=nw
As soon as something is accepted in science - like the
ability to regulate biological function through
bio-feedback - it’s no longer thought of as a siddhi,
no? It becomes simply another capactity we all have,
which can be developed. Which is what siddhis really
are.
Best,
Mark