Having Children

What role do children play on the spiritual path?

For most of my adult life, it was almost a foregone conclusion that I would have children at some point. I think in a lot of ways, it’s somewhat culturally programmed into us that having children is one of the obvious and somewhat non-negotiable milestones in life. As time goes on, more and more adults choose to forgo having children. But even still, it feels like a fairly scary and risky proposition, to intentionally choose to be childfree.

I would love to hear from some of the other yogis on this forum regarding how they feel children fit into the spiritual path.

Whenever I try to decide whether or not to have children, at least as it relates to the spiritual path, I see two sides of the coin.

In one way of looking at it, children can be seen as the ultimate form of karma yoga. The ultimate expansion of purpose beyond oneself. I imagine in many ways they are quite grounding. And in some ways, young children are the most spiritually advanced humans out of all of us. There are countless examples of very successful people in every field, including yoga, who have chosen to have a family. In fact, the two people I look up to most in the AYP community, yogani and christi, both chose to have children. So based on just that small sample size, clearly it’s possible to have children and walk the path very far.

On the other side of the coin, children clearly take an enormous amount of time, energy and focus. Precious resources which could otherwise be put towards spiritual practices. I think perhaps the most compelling case to be made against having children as it relates to the spiritual path is, in most traditions, holy men and women generally did not have families. It seems to span most traditions. Whether you look at buddhist monks, yogic swamis, or christian priests. In most cases, to be considered a true devotee of the path, celibacy (at least as it relates to having a family) is often a prerequisite. In the yoga lineage, the idea of being a householder as well as a spiritualist is a somewhat novel concept introduced by the kriya yogis, and by AYP. While it can clearly be done, does that mean it’s the optimal choice if your true north star is the spiritual path?

As I continue practicing AYP, I can feel the grip of “I, Me, Mine” somewhat loosening. At the moment, it is having a bit of a strange effect on my relationship with the idea of children. I am now seeing that one of the main reasons I’ve always wanted a child is because I wanted it to be MY child. I wanted it to be an extension of my own self. I wanted a piece of me to live on beyond me. But as I walk the path, and I slowly come to see that the concept of “I, Me, Mine” as maya, I no longer feel a strong compulsion for the child to be “mine” so to speak. For example, the idea of volunteering my time at an orphanage, or playing a positive role in the life of a niece or nephew, are growing to be equally as appealing as having my own child, because I am not so attached to the idea of needing to have a human to call my own.

Let’s say we had a spiritual practitioner named John. Truly, the only thing he cares about in life is walking as far as he can along the spiritual path. His desire for wealth, worldly experiences, hobbies etc all pale in comparison to his desire for enlightenment. Would you recommend to John that he should have a family, or not? John has read Yogani’s writings, that the main driving factor of enlightenment are spiritual practices. So he wants to reserve as much time and energy as possible for spiritual practices such as pranayama and meditation. But when looked at through a particular lens, one could argue that having children is in and of itself a type of spiritual practice. Though we don’t often think of it in these terms. So, John feels a bit unsure of what the right decision is.

In a conversation I had with christi, he once told me that for many years when his children were young, the only time he had to perform his spiritual practices was immediately before he went to bed because he was so strapped for time. Clearly his spiritual path unfolded beautifully regardless. But sometimes I doubt I have the strength or past life practice to support walking the spiritual path in this life with those added difficulties. Sometimes I feel I need all the help I can get, and it seems like having children would really crank up the difficulty level of the spiritual path a couple notches.

Sometimes I think it’s useful to think in terms of bets. Let’s say the universe splits into two. In one universe, John has kids. In another, he doesn’t. You’ve got to place a $100 wager on which John will make more progress along the spiritual path before he dies.

Which John do you put your money on?

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Hi Elderberry,

I’m 38 and me and my wife have chosen not to have children, for a few reasons.
Firstly, as I look back over my life I can see that there was always the desire to be in love, and to one day get married. Even from being a young kid I longed to be in a loving relationship with another, but there was never the desire to have kids, maybe there was the expectation, but never a desire.
Secondly, as I see my friends families grow, I can see how hard it is to have a family!! :rofl:
And thirdly there is also the consideration of the environment, really, how many more people do we need! It seems that the economy wants more people but the environment cannot maintain its current state with the amount of people on the planet now, let alone with more.

The only other thing to say is that if my wife ever really, really wanted to have kids, I would never deny her that opportunity , and would have to welcome the challenges it brought. However she feels more strongly that she doesn’t want kids than me, she has a fourth reason. She really doesn’t feel that the world is a good place at the moment to bring up children, with advanced tech and all the stuff that we never had to deal with coming about, all the societal issues around equality etc, our tendency to elect narcissistic psychopaths as the leaders of our countries, not to mention the declining state of the environment we need to thrive.

However, children I believe can be wonderful teachers, think how much practice you get at ‘standing outside your self’ . How much selfless work and patience is involved. I guess sometimes this is what’s needed sometimes?
And then think of the rewards, the love, the companionship, the moments of happiness that will inevitably come!:smiling_face:

I think in the end you just have to go with your gut, it’s a very personal consideration and you are right to be thinking about it very deeply. I personally wouldn’t have a child unless me or my wife really wanted one, but on the other hand I guess that a kid could be just what someone needs to make spiritual progress wether they are on a path or not.

As for your bet, I wouldn’t be able to put money on it. If you have kids, make them part of your practice, I guess having kids and being a great parent is karma yoga isn’t it? Plus I’m sure parenting isn’t so difficult that you couldn’t squeeze in ten minutes of meditation before bed as a minimum. :smiling_face:

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Hi elderberry,

Before children there is usually the relationship between a man and woman, and if it leads to a long term relationship, like marriage, then children or no children is either a choice, or by happenstance. Things happen as they are supposed to.

The comedian, Jerry Seinfeld, was once asked for his thoughts about having three children, and he said, “I don’t know. We were just fooling around.” :sweat_smile:

From a spiritual path perspective, it can go either way. And yes, having a family is about service. Ultimately, life is about service, assuming we have, or have cultivated, a foundation in abiding inner silence which fuels all that is good in life. Then, with or without children, it becomes about doing for others.

This lesson might offer some perspective:

Also, having reached a ripe old age, I can tell you that for my wife and I, having grown children and nearly grown up grandchildren has brought us joy beyond measure. Seniors we know who do not have children find their happiness in serving others. So it is always about that - service - whether for a John with children, or for a John without children.

Enlightenment is always about giving it away - to another, to a family, to a community, or to the world. Any or all of these will do.

All the best!

The guru is in you.

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Hi elderberry
Adding to Yogani ’ s reply that first there needs to be a strong relationship before getting kids…
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Also the woman in the couple is the one that should have the final say in having kids or not…cause she is the one that will go pregnancy for 9 months with all the possible difficulties during and after child birth…it is now known that many women get into depression after childbirth…all these issues that were hushed in the past now women are talking about them
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Also it would be smart to see what kind of diseases runs in the families of the partners …so if the majority is getting cancer in this family or a majority is severaly neurotic or psychotic in that other family,what is the point of taking such risk???
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Not to mention all the economic and social and political issues etc etc…
So having kids comes after a long list of that needs to be checked first

I disagree with that…children are born cause they have issues to figure out …they are not angels nor spiritually advanced…on the contrary
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As for the bet, that is incorrect thinking…some people get enlightened despite never doing any spiritual practice…some criminals get enlightened…everything is possible, the spiritual identity does not give you more importance or eligibility to anything…in fact it is a hindrance

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The first thing I would do is ask John what he wants for himself.

I’m a big believer in the idea that our heart’s desires can be used as a compass when making any decision in life - whether it seems trivial or important. The skill is in discriminating between the desires of the ego and the desires of the soul.

Asking yourself whether a desire comes from within or has been imprinted on you from without may help you distinguish between the two conflicting voices. Are you intrinsically or extrinsically motivated to have children?

As for the practical aspects of the question, I believe that people don’t necessarily need children, but they do need community. It just happens that in our society, a romantic partner and children is the most common form of close-knit community.

This may seem off-topic, but I think that the above may change in the coming decades with increasing political and ecological instability. Spiritual communities such as the one at Findhorn in Scotland may be a viable alternative to the nuclear family.

I hope this helps :heart: