P.S. ‘Defending the status of scripture’ is very common and even unconscious. Just a BTW Doc, I didn’t say you were doing it yourself, but rather that some of that stuff about this interpretation may have come to you from someone who was. It stems from the presumption that there are no mistakes in the underlying work, and if things are not working out, that the errors have to be on the part of the translator’s and the interpretation. Many illustrious Yogis do it too, some of them famous in the West, but I won’t elaborate on that. From my point-of-view, this is just one of the things that has to be taken into account in interpreting something that has gained ‘scriptural’ status; it’s part of my discrimination.
No offense meant to anyone, whether defending scripture or not.
scott said:
“order some kefir grains, make your own kefir and drink a big glass of it every day for a few months”
isn’t kefir milk that has been processed by bacteria? What are kefir grains?
Hi David,
I appreciate the effort you are making here to find some reconciliation in your ongoing dispute with Doc. But hold on a minute if you read it carefully, your advice is effectively censorship 
. You are saying, “let me post whatever I like, because I am exploring yoga and science, and if you don’t like it, that’s fine, but don’t post it here 
!”
Why not say instead “I will not constantly dispute the rational behind your posts, if you do not constantly dispute the rational behind mine. But if you really strongly feel that something is wrong then please say so.”
L&L
Christi 
Here you are, Ether:
http://users.sa.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html
Christi said:
You are saying, “let me post whatever I like, because I am exploring yoga and science, and if you don’t like it, that’s fine, but don’t post it here!”
Did I say that Doc should not have posted what he posted? No. More like trying to help him accomodate to my own posts without getting upset. So I just can’t agree about the censorship bit.
Why not say instead “I will not constantly dispute the rational behind your posts, if you do not constantly dispute the rational behind mine. But if you really strongly feel that something is wrong then please say so.”
Because I don’t mind him disputing the rationale behind my posts, and want to be able to dispute the rationale behind his. I won’t do it constantly either. If it happened unusually frequently recently, it’s largely coincidence, like when it rains it pours. ( There is a good case to be made, however, that I should not let my disagreements ‘pour’ on someone who is settling in – my bad. I’m learning, sorry. ) If someone does take the time to settle in here, they’ll see that I generally let people have their own opinions, and don’t generally insist on the last word on something.
Nothing is perfect or ideal anywhere, so patience is needed everywhere.
David:
I have no problem with your posting of any opinion that you wish share, and I don’t care whether your opinion is in agreement with anything I post. Think what you will and say what you will. I have no desire to control any of that, and no desire to convince you of anything. Nor do I wish to engage you in any ongoing argument and debate about anything!
I have simply attempted to confront your tendency to express alot of opinions that seem to be based on basic thinking errors, yet stated as if these opinions are the factual final word on the subject for everyone who reads them. These ‘errors’ include assumptions, which may or may not be correct, and ‘mind reading’ regarding people that you cannot possibly know to be correct one way or the other. You are of course welcome to continue in this way if you wish to do so, but know that when these assumptions, mind readings, justifications of personal views, and other thinking errors are made in reference to my posts or the teachings and writings of my Teacher, I will confront you on them again. OK? 
Cool! 
Hari OM!
Doc
Doc,
I’m not sure you were only doing what you just said you were doing, but in any case stop well short of the linked Mad Magazine pictures.
Thanks Scott, I hadn’t heard of them. For anyone else; they are not “grain”, but cultures of the kefir bacteria. Don’t think I’ll be trying that kind of test. I take pro-biotic bacteria now and it works very well. i try to do everything in moderation. I do love kefir though.
David:
C’mon, man! Alfred E. Neuman is the Ultimate Dork…and alot of goofy, light-hearted fun, isn’t he? You didn’t chuckle even a little bit when you saw his alternative depiction of how the relationship between the apple and the arrow should really be? 
Hari OM!
Doc
I suppose he is a bit of a dork when I think about it. OK, I’ll laugh now.
That’s the spirit, David! Now take a good look at that picture again, and tell me that Neuman isn’t a genius. And with brilliant solutions like the one shown there, we now know why he always says…“What? Me worry?” LOL
And I heard that Neuman was really into yoga and tai-chi et al back in the 60’s as well. Check it out:
http://homepage.mac.com/mmtz/stcomix/images/misc/zines/mad60s.jpg
Hari OM!
Doc
As for david’s point about the scripture being incorrect… I am more inclined to believe that this has been a translation error. How many copies of the text have been made between the original script and the english version that reached us? Quite a few I’d imagine. In many languages green means unripe. In English such use of the word is less common.
After reading HYP I realised that alot of the most important AYP practices are based on it or at least are in harmony with it eg. Siddhasana, Kechari etc… So I believe it would be a waste to disregard the importance of this scripture because of a few minor errors which could be the result of mistranlations/misintepretations.
Not defending anything here… just don’t want you to throw away a Ferrari because of a flat tire.
I was living in the Himalayas once, in a Buddhist monestary. The monks there advised me not to cook green vedgetables. I asked them why, and they said it was because they have a large surface area, and insects lay their eggs on the leaves, and if you are not really carful washing them, you can get really sick.
Just remembered that when I read this thread.
Christi
Seems to me that would be a good reason TO cook them.
Hi Etherfish,
Sorry, I didn’t mention… they don’t eat them raw at all, for the same reasons. Actually I don’t remember seeing them eating anything raw in the 6 months that I was with them.
L&L
Christi