CarsonZi,
Maybe you’re right, but its pretty difficult to have a FULL realization, I mean what’s a “FULL realization” ? someone that glows or has a halo above the head ? In Jhanas people also glow, and have Halos, but how can we know that they are being Full realized ? I mean, to glow or have a halo, doesn’t mean to have a FULL realization, it’s just a symptom or a gift. I don’t know if Buddha glowed or had a halo, also I don’t know if he had awakened the K energy, I think he did, but its not mentioned very clearly. Buddha’s teachings says that we must not put attention to lights, or any physical symptoms.
But I agree with you, that without Kundalini is like if something is missing, maybe I’m very wrong. I wish someone that knows about Jhanas would chime in to enlighten us a little bit about this matter.
While in Jhanas meditation, parts of my body also glowed, but I never put attention to this, and I’m not Full-realized,(and am very far from it ) I mean when a nimitta (light) takes you, you are glowing inside it. But that doesn’t mean that we are not even realized. Kundalini awakened on me because my intense meditation on Jhanas, then I focused on the Kundalini, cause I was very happy with the energy, I mean the sensations, but this is against the Jhanas path, we must not put attention to sensations, cause if we put attention to sensations or sounds or lights, its very difficult to reach the absorption state (or stillness)
I have always thought that K energy is a complement to Jhanas, but now I don’t know, the ecstasy that I just had on the crown, never happened in Jhanas. In my opinion, and I can be very wrong, that the K energy is stronger than Jhanas, but maybe cause I didn’t attained the strong absorption states of the Jhanas.
The saints, or Jesus or whatever, glowed cause they were in total absorption in a kind of trance that is caused by praying or with contact with God, or angels.
I would like to know more, cause in Jhanas I have been many years, and only attained seconds of the samadhi state, that is very similar to an OOBE, and in a short time, I have attained more with the K energy.
I can be terrible wrong. But sometimes I think Kundalini is not similar to jhanas, cause K energy is a lot of sensations, and ecstasies, and in Jhanas is stillness, absorption, and one must left aside the senses of the body.
In my experience the K energy is very strong, it can change everything in our lives, our thinking, our habitudes, anything.
It can open dimensional portals, communication with angels, or ancesters, or with our own self.
Our bodies are temples that wait the awakening of Shakti to enlighten our inner selves (IMHO)
But you’re right, maybe someone that knows more can enlighten us a little bit.
Kind regards
Neli 
Hi,
You are right self-pacing is very important, or we can splash others with the energy (unconsciously)
Before I came to this Forum, my energy was not channeled through the sushumna,(I think) and when once calling by phone to my sister, she felt a lot of cramps on her legs, even if she was far away.
I have felt the antenna going out and down, but just from the crown, not from the root. I didn’t know that it was an extention of the sushumna, as what I have felt is in the very middle of the top of my head, like being part of the crown chakra, but maybe you are right, that is part of the sushumna.
My antenna is always very straight, don’t know why, it doesn’t move, but can grow higher, but not that much. I have never felt depression when I have experienced the antenna, maybe this antenna is trying to reach the astral plane nadis. But I have felt the cup sensation on my head, and its when some information is given to my subconscious mind from the upper planes.
Neli
hi neli
your crown opening is the cause of all thoses changes , same with any other newly found desires or capabilities. your practice as brought you to this!Crown opening does carry energie to your physical brain, so brain cell get charged (fed) thus they grow , extend dendrites etc. one morning you’ll wake up after some more crown opening realising you can do thing better anything! math, cooking, see the futures wathever. there is no magic trick involve. The nervous system adapt itself with the new source of energie.i agree with those who say “pace yourself” overflooding your brain is easy,just like turning the knob to much on a garden hose… it will rupture or whoever is around will get a free bath! 
as far as i know what you call the entenna is an extention of your susumna some call this the hara line it goes up and down from the root also.
i experience that also and felt it swing back and forth on some occasions …but that is not a good sign, depression is at hand when this happen.
Hi All:
Enlightenment, traditionally and experientially, is the merging of abiding inner silence with ecstasy, to yield stillness in action, which is outpouring divine love and Oneness in everyday living.
So both abiding inner silence (samadhi) and ecstatic awakening (kundalini) are necessary for the whole thing. In the classical Eastern metaphor it is the union of shiva and shakti.
In AYP we cultivate them in that order for more stable development. As many here know, it can be messy to begin with kundalini without having some inner silence established first. Inner silence is our center (our Self), and ecstatic conductivity and radiance provide for the expansion of that center to infinite expression. If the energetic side is cultivated in a balanced way from the spinal nerve (sushumna), the potential difficulties of ecstatic awakening can be minimized. It is a matter of keeping things in the right order and proportion, and self-pacing practices along the way. Reliable results come with a systematic approach.
The guru is in you.
I am not sure if this is the best advice to give to someone experiencing energy overload symptoms. Kechari is a major stimulator of kundalini energy. In the main lessons Yogani describes it as being the same as siddhasana only at the top end of the nervous system. It could potentially send somonw who is already on the brink, over the edge.
Just a warning.
Christi
Hi Christi, OK, maybe I should have not said kechari mudra which I don't practice FYI. What I meant is a SAFE technique known in different systems to not fry the body & rather keep it balanced (hindus call it nabho mudra). Hope this clarifies, Albert
Hi Yogani,
Thanks a lot for your explanation. I really think that the sushumna or spinal nerve has a very important role in this path. So you think that the union of Shiva and Shakti can take us to Samadhi ? Or the state of Samadhi is the union of Shakti and Shiva ?
I mean I’m always feeling the Shiva’s nectar pouring down, but don’t know if this is a normal process to attain Samadhi.
I’m a little confused about attaining Samadhi with Shiva and Shakti.
Can Samadhi state be attained through ecstasy ? I mean I was in Jhanas and we had to block all senses (including ecstasy) to attain Samadhi, something very difficult to do, and I really prefer the ecstasies states.
Sat Nam
Neli
Hi Neli:
Samadhi is always going to be the product of meditation. By that, I do not mean one particular style of meditation. It is not a sectarian thing. Rather, it the universal principle of attention dissolving in an object. The possibilities are unlimited in that. If one is devoted to ecstatic shiva-shakti union and makes it an object of meditation, then samadhi will come. If one is devoted to self-inquiry, then that can lead to samadhi. It is the underlying principle of meditation that leads to the rise of stillness in any activity.
As you know, in AYP we use a systematic process of meditation with mantra, so the cultivation of inner silence (samadhi) is not left to chance. It is very efficient. It is a much longer process in styles of meditation where there is not an effective procedure for handling the many diversions of the mind.
Samadhi can happen in any devoted activity – re: “Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance.” It is a matter of where one’s heart is and how efficient the practice is, if it is even called “practice.” There is no reason an efficient form of meditation like we use in AYP cannot be used to enhance less structured forms of “meditation” that will occur as we pursue the things we love in life. The more inner silence we have, the more will our life naturally become meditation, and ultimately stillness in action.
The guru is in you.
hi
my my understanding of enlightment is more mecanical as in physics/electricty kink of thing. to have a constant glow of light as to do with the whole process to maintain the energie charge of the K. and processing it.i tend to believe this very similar to a plama charge. somewhere in the process photon becomes visible ,irradiate in all direction. this is exactly what hapenn during the enlightment process. heat biggins ate,light become visible,mgnetic field increase in great quantity ,photon are taken in and réimmited outward. all the things we do ; breathing, meditation, bakti etc. are to get that precess going.since words are inapt to describe what happen to the very few who were taken off geard by the experience we miss many pieces of the puzzle.i think also that much of the struggle to get there is due to our ignorance, cultural methaphor that are ageless not neccesarely understood even if we think we do…at least for me anyway!
the stillness in action is exactly what happen when when light is
created by the cummulative effect of all we do.
iwould like to ask yogani ;how can we prepare ourself to withstand all that outpouring of love , vital ans psy energie? Our couciousness is far from ready to withstand all the forces during the process and to maintain it going.
when we do live this enlightment process with the flowing light ,love etc.
back to neli’s antenna! you’re right it does carry info from the higher plane. the hara line open up to other chakra .the limit of it’s lenght is due to our counciousness…the aparent end is the limit before those higher chakra not yet open.
f.
Talking about crown opening … it’s been a daily occurence to me now while in concentration or in meditation ,sounds are becoming very powerfull. i get hit by sound . it is very electrifying sometimes, even cause crown opening many times.sound coming from my surrounding; kids playing on the street,neibourg walking upstaitrs etc. i have absolutely no defence against that. if i get to a time when a need to pace my pratice and the lovenoises of my neibours bring a strong crown opening i’llbe in trouble!!! it’s as if all the sounds i hear becomes as mantra. IAM is not that powerfull when i repeat it!
any ideas folks on such a thing?
f.
Hi Yogani,
Thanks for your explanation. I think I prefer to attain the samadhi state through shiva-shakti, although I also practice mantras and the stillness. what I have to learn more is the “stillness in action” I think its like being stable in our actions, or conscious. I have meditated a lot with the “witness” meditation, and it helps a lot to understand many things. In a short time I have attained more with kundalini than years in jhanas, or maybe jhanas helped a lot the kundalini process, as once we feel the crown ecstasy, the energy make us understand many things. I think the crown ecstasy or orgasm can be the beginning of samadhi, but maybe I’m wrong. But its the most wonderful thing I have ever felt, there’s no words to describe it.
Thanks a lot
Sat Nam
Neli
f.
Very interesting your point of view, about the antenna, that’s why sometimes I feel it short, and sometimes it grows, then it gets inside. Yes I think also that it carries info. from higher planes.
What I didn’t understand is your point of view of stillness in action.
can you clarify?
thanks a lot
Sat Nam
Neli
F.
I have heard many sounds, but before the ecstasy of the crown, I mean before shakti reaches the crown, always while in meditation, this is very disturbing, but I make a big effort not to put attention, and it have lessened a lot. But when the ecstasy of the crown is achieved, my all body is in rapture, and I cannot hear anything just feel this tremendous sensation that makes reacts all my body, it transforms everything inside and outside of our minds and bodies.
Neli
Hi f:
The human nervous system is capable of conducting vast divine energy as it becomes purified and opened. This does not happen overnight, and depends largely on an effective daily routine of practices conducted over the long term, with self-pacing so as not to get too far ahead of ourselves. By far the most important aspect of this is the cultivation of abiding inner silence, which enables us to remain steady in the face of any storm. It is the proverbial rock.
The guru is in you.
so i just have to keep practicing silence and some kind of inner immobility and brace for impact and wait for the storm to pass. not so evident when somoene come to me for a question and her voice make me want to throw up!!
ho well if it’s what it takes!!
f.
Hi Schtroumpsoils
Well, not really!
You can practice deep meditation and spinal breathing pranayama, and take everything that comes in your stride! In fact it can be an incredible adventure. Reacting strongly to people’s voices is not a common symptom of spiritual awakening, so no need to worry there. In fact you should find that, over time, people who previously anoyed you, no longer do, and you even find their presence beautiful, as if God is standing before you in human form.
With the right spiritual practices, applied in an intelligent manner, anything is possible!
Good luck
Christi
Hi f.
Back to my antenna, I would like to know if one can make it grow with a mantra, I always sing mantras, different ones, maybe I have to stick to just one mantra, cause I sing first one, then other, and till I feel the conductivity I stop, but I sing them not with the mind but with voice, cause I have practiced with the mind, and felt is not the same conductivity, maybe I’m wrong but I feel it with my body. Maybe I have to sing them with the mind till the conductivity works, although I think is faster the other way. I feel the antenna very frequently going up and down, sometimes it remains up, and doesn’t goes down. Do you think that the sensation of the antenna is something to do with the crown chakra, or is it just the hara line ?
Thanks
Neli
sorry for the late answer… computer bug !!!
as far as i know hara line( antenna) and the crown are part of each other just as other shakra. a continuation of the susummna outside the physical body. as for growing it …your guess is as good as mine.Barbara A. brennan teach that we can stretch it at will downward for grounding. upward should be the same process.
I have found that when the antenna goes up, I can connect communication with other beings in others dimensions. I don’t know if it works for this. Also if very enlarged, I can see clearly as if I were in the sky,I haven’t felt this the other way, for grounding. 
Hi Neli,
Don’t forget that if you are feeling symptoms of crankiness or irritability in normal life, then this is a good time to leave the crown chakra well alone. The crown chakra puts a massive draw on the kundalini energy and can make symptoms of overdoing much worse. The crown chakra is especially dangerous because if things get out of hand at the crown, it can take much longer to stabalize things again than it does with the other 6 chakras.
Also if you are experiencing symptoms of energy overload (such as irritability), and activity at the crown chakra, then it could be a good idea to drop the first mantra enhancement and go back to using the basic I AM mantra. The EE sound in the first mantra enhancement has a direct stimulatory effect on the crown chakra and can put things further out of balance.
All the best
Christi
Hi Christi,
Thanks for your advice. I think I am controlling a lot the irritablitiy, it happens only when I am in crowded places, or rush hour’s traffic. But the symptom that I feel is the hyperactivity, I mean when I walk in crowded places, I can’t stand anyone near me, that’s why I walk so rapid, but without irritation, only I can’t stand to walk like the others. I mean if someone walks with me slowly, I let them back and goes by myself, then I meet them again in some restaurant or store.
I don’t work with the crown chakra, it works by itself, I mean I don’t focus on the crown, but in the ajna, but the energy goes by itself.
I’m working with the “I am” without the enhancement, but since I was in Jhanas I felt movement above this chakra, its very funny, I mean it doesn’t bothers me, its like an antenna that grows.
By the way which are the terrible symptoms that are supossed to be felt when working with this chakra ? I have felt “halos” antennas, crowlings on top of head, but I enjoy the “scenario” I don’t know what is the worst ? communicating with spirits, or other beings in another frequency ? I do also EVP, but they are part of the charismas of the energy, I don’t see it as something bad.
My Best
Neli
Don’t forget that if you are feeling symptoms of crankiness or irritability in normal life, then this is a good time to leave the crown chakra well alone. The crown chakra puts a massive draw on the kundalini energy and can make symptoms of overdoing much worse. The crown chakra is especially dangerous because if things get out of hand at the crown, it can take much longer to stabalize things again than it does with the other 6 chakras.
Also if you are experiencing symptoms of energy overload (such as irritability), and activity at the crown chakra, then it could be a good idea to drop the first mantra enhancement and go back to using the basic I AM mantra. The EE sound in the first mantra enhancement has a direct stimulatory effect on the crown chakra and can put things further out of balance.
All the best
Christi
Hi Neli
Negative symptoms associated with the crown chakra include dizziness, feeling spaced out and the feeling of being ungrounded or not connected with the earth. It can get so bad that someone experiencing it is unable to speak, walk or relate to anyone else.
The crown, when it opens intensifies the whole movement of kundalini through the body which, if we are pure enough inside to deal with it is not a bad thing in itself. But if our nerves are not yet ready to handle the energy load, then we can experience negative symptoms caused by the increased volume of prana. Mild early symptoms include irritability and crankyness. Slightly worse symptoms include shaking, headaches, anger, frustration. Worse symptoms include the feeling that you are burning alive from the inside, halucinations and severe migranes. It can progress to insanity and suicidal symptoms.
But if we work with the crown (and the antenae) in a safe way… as outlined in the main AYP lessons, then we don’t have to experience any of these negative symptoms. The antenae you describe is the Brahma nadi, which connects us with heaven. In the lessons the Brahma nadi is described as being a branch of the Sushumna, which it is. The thing about the crown is that it draws us up into itself. So if we are not careful, we can easily be drawn up before we are ready, and then we come crashing down again and have to pick up the pieces.
Using your imagination to lengthen the Brahma nadi would count as “working with the crown”.
The “good” symptoms associated with the crown chakra (when we are ready to procede safely) are feelings of joy, bliss, unity consciousness and a connection with the Divine realms.
I wish you a safe and beautiful journey.
Christi