Hi Christi,
Maybe some of them, but in my experience I haven’t already met anyone that had had bad symptoms while practicing the Kabbalah. But in my opinion their symptoms would be more like a kind of confusion, not physical symptoms. I’m not so sure if it is the same energy that awakens, cause the Kabbalah practicioner is in most of the cases like in a kind of ecstasy state, a light one (in my experience). Maybe the purification is been made in a different way. I know that when Shakti awakens even if one is in Kabbalah or Jhanas, or whatever, it brings up bad symptoms, but a lot of people in Kabbalah or Jhanas attain the divine presence or God without awakening Shakti. I think that Shakti is a path to attain God, but not a must.
Neli
Are you saying that all practitioners of the Kabbalah do not experience any problems when they have awakened are being purified by the fire of God?
Christi
Hi Neli,
In my understanding, practitioners of the Kabbalah work more with meditations and visualizations than with forms of pranayama. This means that there is much less stimulation for a kundalini awakening, and when it does happen, it will tend to be less symptomatic bacause of the increased purification that has happened first. Most spiritual traditions work this way… it is a longer route, but safer. Christianity works this way too. So the practitioner will often experience states of ecstasy (which are what we would call bliss states, or samadhi states, long before they experience the awakening of kundalini (the fire snake as they call it).
So there is still the possibility of them having problems as the kundalini awakens, but the chances are less. The same would be true for people working exclusively with jhanas.
Christi
I have a book from that Kabbalah cult Madonna is associated with about the 72 names of God. If i recall properly it is a kind of magical thinking process where you kind of sit with one of the names in your mind and meditation and then it is supposed to do something magical to you. My experience with this Kabbalah cult wasn’t extensive but they did keep on phoning me up which i found instrusive because i lost interest in them. So i told them to take me off their list. One of the people that phoned me told me about his experiences with the cult and it sounded dodgy to me like he was brainwashed. They overprice all their stuff and make tons of money off people, most of whom don’t seem to get anything back.
This is of course completely different from esoteric authentic Kabbalah traditions. I looked in to this a little but i couldn’t find any correlations between the tree of life and the chakras. It just sounded to me like a nice theory.
About kundalini. I don’t know if i am experiencing kundalini or ida and pingala energies. To me it just feels like warm intense coolish sensations in and around the back and sometimes going into the shoulders and arms. It comes all by itself without warning at any time, which makes me think it is in control most of the time. However, i can put my attention on various areas of my back and it kind of “comes to life”. Is that kundalini? It certainly feels nice but it doesn’t feel like an orgasm of volcano like proportions or anything. Maybe i need to meditate more to get that.
Hi Christi,
I agree with you on this, practicioners of the Kabbalah don’t work or just a few of them, with forms of pranayama.
It’s also very true that one can have strong ecstasies without having the awakening of Shakti.
Maybe and I think sometimes that it can be true, the ecstasies are a kind of purification to the body. But a real strong one.
You are very right, I was in Jhanas, feeling strong ecstasies and suddenly the fiery serpent began to crowl over my feet, then over my root chakra, and I was not aware of that till I began to feel bad, mostly very irritable, then it began another kind of symptoms, kind of digestive problems and the always present electricity problems, that I had to put aside the Jhanas meditation. I’m just meditating 40 minutes per day, strange but my body has it own clock.
Neli
Gumpi,
I don’t know too much about Kabbalah cults, but what I know is that they meditate on the 72 names of God, but they do many things, as rituals, and magical words to open doors or energies. Just look at Aleister Crowley, he was a big kabbalist, although a little mad, hahaha.
People make money on everything, we are on a money world. That’s why I went out of the Siddha Yoga, the more money you expend on them, the more you are welcome, and if you don’t give you don’t have.
I think there is a correlation between the tree of life and chakras, although I am not a kabbalist I know of very serious kabbalist people, that states this correlation.
I think you are having an awakening of Shakti, it takes time to be aware of her work, in my case, it took years till I began to be aware that it was Shakti. The ecstasies or orgasms can be felt in many different traditions, not only in Yoga, as I was in Jhanas, it was for me something usual to feel strong ecstasies till Shakti came in and the ecstasies began to become stable a little bit, and now I feel them less in intensity or maybe more stables.
Neli
