Bending the Laws of the Universe

Love this. It occurs to me… If we can bend the laws of the universe and manifest, then what would be the most awesome manifestation to play with?
Adamant

An Enlightened Human Population
Love,
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Hi Steve :slight_smile:
Thanks for showing me Matrix Energetics!
I really appreciate it!
Playing In The Light
Have fun!
Drop down to the Heart!
Play! Imagine! Be like a child!
Intend!
Release!
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TI

An Enlightened Human Population
Love,
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Why just humans? What about animals, and all the sentient life in the Cosmos? Adamant

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link: http://www.near-death.com/experiences/reincarnation04.html
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TI

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link: http://www.near-death.com/experiences/reincarnation04.html
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TI


I don't buy it. Any being with a mind matters, including hell realm beings, plants, animals, demigods and long life deities. Let's not forget the billions of planets in the Cosmos that support sentient life. There's no "caste system" of life where some life consists of individuals and other life doesn't. And there is no higher and lower life form. There is simply a spectrum where suffering is on one end of the polar spectrum and bliss is on the other. Hell beings suffer immensely. God realm beings enjoy immense bliss. Humans live smack dab in the middle of the spectrum, and buddhas transcend it. Adamant

Hi Adamant :slight_smile:

For the most part I think that our vocabularies are much too different to discuss anything and come to some kind of understanding about it. For example, you have defined “mind” as an all pervasive entity and perhaps you really mean ‘awareness’ or ‘emptiness’. ?? I don’t know.
Are you saying that the “soul does not exist”
Are you saying that all is “mind” or “awareness”?
If everything consists of light and the light is God conscious or “aware”, perhaps all reality is aware. That is fine and perhaps that is a good definition. Perhaps all of reality is evolving and progressing as it should.
However, if one buys into the story that souls do exist, that some beings have souls and other do not, and that souls are closer to God than entities without souls, isn’t there some practical use in that? Doesn’t it help explain the purpose to life? How do you prove the Buddhist concept of reincarnation without a concept of a soul or something to carry on from one life to the next?
Doesn’t that concept help to explain some kind of evolutionary pattern or progression that would ulitmately lead to God’s perfection? Or are you saying that these divine plans do not exist?
Yes, some beings suffer and some beings are blissful. Didn’t Buddha escape from both? Yes, you mentioned that.
Here is an interesting link that contains many experiences from people who have died. It describes the lower and higher realms. The topic is the “VOID”. It agrees with your statements that there are many beings that suffer. It even says that you will find some animals in the other planes.
link: http://www.near-death.com/experiences/research15.html
I believe that a realized buddhist would say that none of what was written on that page truly exists, because all is emptiness. If you do read that page, could you please explain to me the difference between “emptiness” and the “void” because I’m thinking that they are pretty much the same thing at this time, and as such, is something that one shouldn’t strive for.
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TI

Hi TI,
Not because I am “Buddhist,” but because of my own near death experiences, and the experiences of seeing others close to me “on the other side,” I recognize that there are roughly three general realms of samsara, desire realm, form realm, and formless realm. The three realms are distinguished based on the predominate karma of the predominate collective consciousness. One can google these things to get a better idea about it.
Mind, awareness, emptiness are all synonymous to me. I believe all reality is this aware emptiness. I believe that a soul exists in the sense that I believe there is a mind, a collection of traits and karmic tendencies (call it set S), where S is the set onto which karmic consequences are attributed. However, S is not an entity; it is an impermanent set of traits and tendencies and nothing more. And S changes constantly, like a river. When the karmic tendencies are exhausted (from practicing the path), S ceases. Before one takes up the path, the attribution of karma to S is what results in reincarnation. (wikipedia 12 links of dependent origination)
That does not mean that all this happens because of God’s plan. Nor does it mean that some beings with minds have “souls” and others do not. All beings with even a semblance of a mind has a set of karmic tendencies, even bacteria have desire for food.
I don’t subscribe to the view that God has a purpose for life. Life has it’s own purpose, and that purpose is self-directed according to the predominate trait of the particular realm. In the desire realm it is desire. In the form realm it is some abstract concept like beauty. In the formless realm it is the meditative concentrations, like neither perception nor non-perception or complete cessation.
Then, the buddhas transcend all this to benefit beings so that we can finally get off the wheel.
Adamant

WHAT???
more than one?

Hi TI,[quote]
Thanks for showing me Matrix Energetics!
I really appreciate it!
[/quote]You are very welcome TI.
Steve :slight_smile:

Steve, I am not understanding this stuff. Lets say you had to explain it to a 10 year old. How would you do it?
Dumb it down for me.

link: http://www.near-death.com/experiences/reincarnation04.html
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TI
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The issue of whether animals have souls or not has been debated by theologians and philosophers forever. Most who have owned a dog or a cat will have little doubt about the answer. The western debate has shifted in favour of an affirmative answer, too. Hence animal rights.
chinna

Hi Everyone.
Since this post is about Matrix Energetics I thought I’d continue along that vein. Today I found some very interesting teachings by Gurudeva and it sure sounded like what Richard Bartlett and the ME people are talking about. (I wonder if Richard read Gurudeva’s book)… That is, all possible combinations of outcomes of reality exist and if we have the ability to choose or intend a fixed point in time and space, it is just a matter going back and choosing the desired outcome or frame to create by shifting our awareness and intention to it and then releasing that.
Sounds fantastic, doesn’t it?
Well read on.
This is from Gurudeva’s “Merging with Siva: The Nature of Thought”:
link: http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/books/mws/mws_ch-30.html
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There are various strata of thought, and of these the most obvious, of course, is what normally is termed thinking. The motivation thought stratum of the astral plane, because of its being more refined in nature, therefore more permanent, precedes all externalized thinking.
We are not aware of this until we begin to meditate often, having perfected concentration and meditation. However, there is yet another area of thought, which can be viewed from the fifth dimension of the mind, and here we see form in all phases of manifestation from one point in inner space and time. We can look to the future and to the past, viewing one singular object, and see a change in manifestation as new, individual frames on a motion picture film, each one being slightly different from the other.
This really has to be experienced to be believed – that all phases of manifestation and all of the various and varied forms of the universe exist in the great circle of life. Therefore, we can conclude that it is the point in time and space where our awareness resides that keys us in to seeing only one frame at a time on this circle of creation, preservation and dissolution of form, which leads into the creation of the same form again.
The mystic, once recognizing his particular point in time and space, can travel around this circle of life at will, his control being prior sadhana performed well during early years of unfoldment.
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So Adamant and Chinna, perhaps there are souls and an evolutionary pattern in the circle of life, but after reading the quote above, I would be inclined to think that all is God in different stages of development and by learning the true nature of awareness and by gaining the ability to control one’s awareness, one can witness the totality of existence as one infinite manifestation of God (or emptiness). Another conclusion is that we have the ability to pick and choose which frame to manifest, so we could in fact perform miracles or at least choose miraculous outcomes by choosing the desired outcome’s frame…
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TI

I’m speechless.
Adamant

Hi TI
God is ‘the condition of the possibility for development’ as the theologians say. God (infinite, eternal, unknowable, etc etc) doesn’t do stages of development. We do stages of development, but they are not stages of development on the way to anything. That was Teilhard’s error. The most we can say is that they are training in their and our insignificance. Or that they are entertainment. Like Matrix Energetics, which looks a hoot. I am reminded of charismatic christian evangelical meetings, everyone swooning in the spirit all over the place.
chinna

Hi :slight_smile:
Here is one video of Richard Bartlett making a young lady swoon (wish I could do that :slight_smile: ):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xexh4DUQWT4&feature=related
And here is a radio interview with Richard Bartlett where he discusses the Physics of Miracles:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsHVEqnB7AI&feature=related
Not only was it very interesting to hear Richard’s philosophy about how we are confined by our belief systems and about how we have to open up and release them in order for Grace to act, it was also very nice to hear all the people phoning into that radio show with their stories about miracles. There is some fascinating material here, especially the part about measuring, finding a connection, dropping it into your heart with intent and then releasing it. Kind of reminds me of the AYP samyama practice. :slight_smile:
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TI

Hi Chinna :slight_smile:

You mean like Benny Hinn?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVIPF_PmHuQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lvU-DislkI
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TI

Matrix Energetics Introduction Video (Part 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GK-Vq6IVPI4&NR=1
Matrix Energetics Introduction Video (Part 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td6i1JV_y1Q&feature=related

You mean like Benny Hinn?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVIPF_PmHuQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lvU-DislkI
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TI


Hi TI Well, he seems a real showman with it, but 'slaying in the spirit' happens in ordinary small church congregations around the world, and has thus happened for centuries. There was a major global wave of 'rediscovery' of this kind of phenomenon in christian churches from the 1980s, which started in Canada. If you go into any charismatic church, especially for a 'ministry of healing' service, there would be people put into a swoon one by one by the Minister and others, in all probability, and people will describe the sudden surge of energy within the body, the moment they are touched. I once heard an ordinary christian guy talking about the energy going up and down the spine, and his need to touch others with it. People often roll about on the floor with it, or make strange noises, or do what we would understand to be asanas, and all the other things familiar to yogis. In the Christian church it is regarded as the work of God through the Holy Spirit, and a blessing, along with speaking in tongues. Some well-known Christian healers, such as Fr Peter M Rookey OSM, a Servite Friar, have been associated with well-attested miracles of healing. So, none of this is peculiar to the east or to yoga. I guess the difference in christian circles is that the phenomena are not cultivated individually, but tend to arise in mass gatherings, where people practise many ways of 'letting go' and releasing into God, ie the Absolute, ie kind of meditation. Collective hymn singing can invoke the same effects, initiation by music, as can the most profoundly moving preaching, initiation by word. Most people who invoke such phenomena, at least in christian circles, don't make any money from it, nor advertise it. It is 'God's work', not their own insight. I guess what's interesting to me about Matrix Energetics is that it is a secular/scientific perspective on centuries old phenomena, a kind of charismatic religion of science, where quantum stands in for God (or vice versa over the centuries). chinna