the lord said.you have been mourning for those who should not be mourned for ;yet you speak word of wisdom .niether for the living nor for dead do the wise grieve. 
You must know what it is and why it is before you can offer it. Don’t go making bets you cannot cover. 
Ah yes. I’m all in favour. What shall we have I wonder ?
Ah yes. I’m all in favour. What shall we have I wonder ?
What am I ? Who am I ? What for am I here ? Am I ? Saterday special
you lament losing the process you rely on do not mourn the loss of this its another attachment ,when these processes are niether alive or dead then your own wisdom does not grieve
Quoting scripture shall not feed the hungry nor comfort the sad. 
your understanding of that passage is different to mine.
your heart begins to open let go
A process simply is. If it halts it ends.
You do not know f you are attached to anything . First investigate if there is any such attachment. You will see no such thing is possible.
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quote: [/quote] Ah yes. :grin: I'm all in favour. What shall we have I wonder ?What am I ? Who am I ? What for am I here ? Am I ? Saterday special
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nothing ends karl just new beginings
I would concern yourself with your own heart. That’s the best advice I can give if that is worth much at all.
If nothing ends then nothing begins. You have not thought out your premesis.
Careful of equivocation Kumar.
my heart is open to you right now ,do not be angry do not desire to be right or wrong this is the enemy it devours all
enveloped is knowledge ,oh son of kunti ,by the insatiable fire of desire ,which is the constant foe of the wise.
i am not thinking i am being .
let a man be lifted up by his own self ;let him not lower himself;for he himself is his friend ,and he himself is his enemy.
See who’s heart it is that is open, find that one. See who is saying these things find that one.
in a clean spot having fixed his a firm seat niether too high nor to low and having spread over it a kusa grass ,and then a deer skin ,and then a cloth ,
and sitting there ,he should practice yoga for purification of the self,restraining the activities of his mind and senses and bring his thoughts to one point
i am looking
fellow seeker
If you are not thinking then how are you being ?
These aren’t just logical fallacies, they are fallacies within fallacies. The verse you quoted is also correct.
Let a man be lifted ‘up’ let him not ‘lower’ himself.
For he is friend and enemy.
Let me expand it from my understanding and then you can comment. Neither of us will know what the writer meant exactly so we cannot say more than ‘this is how I see it’.
Up is higher consciousness. In ancient times higher consciousness was enlightent and enlightenment was reason. Questioning everything in order to discover the truth. To define a thing.
Lower is the beast ( dramatic sounding )it is our base brains, these are responsible for animal instincts and above them sits our emotional centres. Emotion was always regarded as the enemy, the beast within. It was one reason why women were often excluded as they were thought too emotionally compromised-I don’t subscribe to that thesis by the way, it was more than likely a power play.
Whilst emotion is in control it makes us avoid reason and logic. Our minds are then ruled by mysticism, emotion, intuition, superstition.
Heart does not mean what you think it does. You presume it means a feeling of love. Yet it actually means centre. Centre is geometric. If you study the quadrivium you will see that centre, line and arc were/are enormously important. It means from whence it originates.
And that is what I did and still continue to do. You can anoint it with self inquiry if you have gained sufficient mental quiet and order of thought. I dispense with kusa grass and deerskin though too high, too low were not physical attributes but mental attitudes. Neither slave nor king.
Ahhhh…there is the issue.
It seems like you are stuck, and perhaps not letting the witness dissolve in unity. Don’t worry, it will happen (it surely already is happening 
).
When objective and subjective flow together, there is true joy, which is the ultimate fruit of all practices, as well as the supreme siddhi. For you to say “they ought not to” is a mental obstruction and barrier to full enlightenment. It is easily dissolved with active surrender, which moves us beyond the witness stage.
I would advise a healthy dose of Walt Whitman, whose writing has great power, and can help make the boundaries more transparent, fluid, and remarkably radiant. [OM]
you are tied to mental attitudes a slave to your own words i have one final piece of scripture for you take it as you please from me it is from a heart and love that is where i am at the momment maybe you are far ahead or far behind or we are both nowwhere but my discussion ends thankyou
some look on the self as a wonder
some speak of it as a wonder
some hear of it as a wonder
still others ,though hearing do not understand it at all .