Dear Blue Raincoat,
Welcome back! The world has more color with you here. 
You are right - there is nothing to talk about, and more to do in yoga practice. 
If I were the witness to this argument in private, I would have listened quietly. But there are many people reading here, in the forum, and once I read the thread I had to say something. Keeping quiet would have meant that I agreed with the position of pure logical reasoning as the path to enlightenment. The answers are beyond reasoning. I hope nobody believes me, but maybe someone reading this decides to read the lessons and follow the practice. The practice will bring the answers.
Without the line in the middle,
the space is free
to drench us in unbounding love.
A good example of stillness in action is a hummingbird. The hummingbird beats its wings incredibly fast, yet the core of its body is remarkably still so that it can hover before a flower and drink the nectar easily. It’s essentially two opposites existing simultaneously in one organism.
Logic and rationality are in favor of this phenomenon, as are emotion and intuition.
Amen
They are not. There is no separation. The wings of the hummingbird do not exist apart from the entity of the bird. The body is in constant motion, the chest muscles are driving the wings, heart beats, brain sends signals, lungs breath, tail moves, stomach digests, blood pumps.
No opposites exist at the same time in the same place.
It is as if you are saying a square circle exists but decline to provide the evidence.
You are trying to argue the point which I respect , unlike Blanche who appears to have wandered off into the fallacy of ‘appeal to laughter’.
J[quote=“Blanche”]
What can I say, Karl? I find this reply hysterically funny. 
Thank you.
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You are welcome.
However you seem to have somewhat lost the thread of the argument and fallen into the fallacy of ‘appeal to laughter’. You do, of course have the audience of like minded thinkers to cheer you on, but that doesn’t mean anything to me. You wished to ‘take me on’ I believe was the phrase. You have failed to provide evidence to support your argument and laughter-no matter how beneficial or enjoyable-has no value in this context. Unless you have anything further to add, then it seems we are not to advance this discussion further.
Dear Blue Raincoat,
Welcome back! The world has more color with you here.
You are right - there is nothing to talk about, and more to do in yoga practice.
If I were the witness to this argument in private, I would have listened quietly. But there are many people reading here, in the forum, and once I read the thread I had to say something. Keeping quiet would have meant that I agreed with the position of pure logical reasoning as the path to enlightenment. The answers are beyond reasoning. I hope nobody believes me, but maybe someone reading this decides to read the lessons and follow the practice. The practice will bring the answers.
Without the line in the middle,
the space is free
to drench us in unbounding love.
The answers are not beyond reasoning , but first you must apply reasoning instead of emotional intuition. There is no doubt that the practices are/were necessary, but they have to bring you to something. As my old drum teacher used to say ' you can practice all you like Karl, I can show you a million complex fills, rhythmic tricks and styles and you can bench on them for years, but in the end it is about getting out there with a band and performing for an audience otherwise it is wasted effort, you may as well learn to balance the drum on your head as play it" .
Any chance we can have the group hugs somewhere else ?
Well, I guess nothing of the material world is truly still, but even so, the material world is a reflection of stillness, so the only way we can come to the deepest reality of stillness is by learning from the surface-level illusion of material things. With the hummingbird, there is certainly an appearance of stillness, and that counts on the reality-discernment meter.
I was jamming tonight in a friend’s garage, and we were singing harmonies together, and a beautiful girl was dancing to my beats. All this vibrant activity was happening, and yet I felt as if I was doing nothing. It just kind of flowed effortlessly, even during the improvisation. We also laughed a lot.
Is that stillness in action? How can I prove it to be true other than by subjectively describing the paradoxical sensations rolling across my perception?
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and that is an experience of subject-object union.
Amen?
I[quote=“Bodhi Tree”]
Well, I guess nothing of the material world is truly still, but even so, the material world is a reflection of stillness, so the only way we can come to the deepest reality of stillness is by learning from the surface-level illusion of material things. With the hummingbird, there is certainly an appearance of stillness, and that counts on the reality-discernment meter.
I was jamming tonight in a friend’s garage, and we were singing harmonies together, and a beautiful girl was dancing to my beats. All this vibrant activity was happening, and yet I felt as if I was doing nothing. It just kind of flowed effortlessly, even during the improvisation. We also laughed a lot.
Is that stillness in action? How can I prove it to be true other than by subjectively describing the paradoxical sensations rolling across my perception?
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and that is an experience of subject-object union.
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You already have the answers but refuse to acknowledge them. You are asking your own questions but are refusing to try to answer them.
If it’s subjective then what is it ? If you answer subjectively then who is providing the answer ?
‘reflection of stillness’ it’s very pretty, your words are pretty, but you are not your words.
There is no ‘surface level illusion of material things’. There are realities, concretes, existent things and there are non concrete self generated , internal emotions and scenery.
We mix them up, we cannot see the wood for the trees, reality from falsity and it creates a schism, seperation, suffering. There is real objective separation and emotional subjective separation. One gets implied on the other. The emotion gets transferred to the instrument you are playing, the girl dancing, the sounds. It is a distraction. Objective and subjective then flow together when they ought not to.
Yet you know this, I do not need to tell you, it is surely why you wish to end the addiction to drugs. You see how it mushed everything together into chow, like baby food it’s easy to eat, there is no chewing.
I love you guys.
Karl, there is a hug for you too. Not compulsory of course; you can have it if you want to.
LOL everyone except the heretic
No, I don’t need one, but I politely thank you anyway. I would prefer to discuss the subject under consideration.
then conches and kettle drums ,tabors and trumpets and cow horns suddenly blared forth ;and the sound was stupendous.
whereupon madhava and pandava ,seated in thier magnificent yoked to white horses ,also blew thier celestial conchs.
hrishikesea ,the devadatta;and vrikodara ,the doer of fearful deeds ,blew his great conch,the paundra.
king yudhishthira ,the son of kunti ,blew his conch,the anantavijaya;and nakula and sahadeva blew the sughosha and the manipushpaka.
the great archer ,the kingof kasi;the great warrior sikhandi,dhristadyyumna and viirata;the unconquered satyaki;
drupada ,and the sons of draupadi ,and the mighty son of subhadra ,oh lord of the earth ,each blew his own conch.
and that tumult ,resounding through heaven and earth rent the the hearts of dhritarashtras followers.
the ultimate self enquiry begins love to you all
There is only self inquiry, there isn’t a different version called ‘ultimate’.
i knew you would be waiting
I meant exactly the opposite - pointed out you were one of “you guys” in my previous post, despite the fact that you don’t warm up to hugs. I’m fine with that too.
Boo
freedom and love awaits open your heart
I meant exactly the opposite - pointed out you were one of “you guys” in my previous post, despite the fact that you don’t warm up to hugs. I’m fine with that too.
Then I took the liberty of taking advantage of your amphibolous statement. :grin: I will play if it is only for play. :wink:
I’m hungry, let’s eat.