Am I still a beginner after nearly 20 years?

I started AYP around 2007 if I recall correctly. This was after a couple of years of practicing some qigong exercises similar to spinal breathing (I credit my ability to recognize the value of AYP to having previously been taught something like spinal breathing), so overall I have been doing spiritual practices for nearly twenty years, though there have been years when I was more consistent and years where I was less consistent. I would guess that there have been at least 15 years of twice-daily AYP practices, cumulatively, along with a few periods of more intense practice–e.g., thrice-daily AYP practices.

My “minimum” daily AYP practice consists of about 10 minutes of spinal breathing, 20 minutes DM, 7 minutes samyama, and 3 minutes of rest, twice a day. This past summer, when I had more free time, I did about 10 minutes of asana, 10 minutes SBP, 5-10 minutes other pranayama (bastrika, yoni mudra, etc.), 20 minutes DM, 10 minutes samyama, 5ish minutes cosmic samyama 3 times a day (twice in the morning, and once in the evening). I definitely did see more progress then, albeit still quite gradual.

I am now 44 years old, so my life is probably at least half over, and my “vigorous” years may already be dwindling–that is, I might only have another 10-20 years (or less, should something like cancer strike) of relatively high energy to practice such things.

In all these years of practices, I have definitely made some progress. There is a lot more inner silence and equanimity. I feel very ecstatic at times, though far from 24-7. My awareness feels subtler, and I feel a bit more empathetic/concerned about the good of all relative to the good of myself. I do have some level of pratyahara–I can feel the inside of the head in a way I could not, and, to a lesser extent, the digestive system, which feels like it holds air in a slightly different way, suggestive of the production of soma Yogani has described. Occasionally I feel a minty sensation in the digestive tract, but only occasionally. I don’t think I’ve really experienced the production of amrita, and while I’ve seen what seems like some sparkles during meditation on occasions when I enter a kind of half-awake-half-asleep state, I would still say I have trouble perceiving or visualizing the sushumna, have not seen “the star,” etc. much less any spiritual beings, angels, etc.

When I read e.g., Tristan’s book and posts, or some of the posts Yogani responds to, it seems as if some people are experiencing many of these things such as amrita or seeing the star after only a few years of practice (I know Tristan had many years of fairly intense practice before even beginning AYP, so I am not necessarily referring to him specifically). I have seen amrita described as an “intermediate” experience, whereas e.g., “witnessing sleep” or perhaps, non-dual consciousness are more advanced experiences.

I guess this makes me feel a bit frustrated or impatient, because I wonder if I am not even at an “intermediate” level, or just starting to approach an “intermediate” level of attainment after nearly 20 years, and with only maybe 10 or 20 years left of “youthful” (or middle-age) vigor. At this rate, will I be able to be “enlightened” or at least understand more of the truth of spirituality/religion in this lifetime, ideally before I am old? Will I be enlightened with only a few years left to live? This seems far from ideal.

Assuming living in a non-dual, “enlightened” state is the best way to live (and also the best way to help others), I feel an urgency to achieve that “sooner than later,” before most of my current life (assuming there may be another one) is gone. Yet I already feel that I spend about as much time as I can on spiritual practices without withdrawing from professional, personal, family, etc. responsibilities, which also doesn’t seem like a very “enlightened” thing to do (e.g., leave my family to go meditate in a cave for a few years).

Does my rate of progress seem normal? Slow? Is there anything I can do to accelerate it while maintaining a busy schedule? The only thing I can think besides the “3x-day spiritual practices where possible” approach is to try harder on brahmacharya (currently about 1 orgasm/fortnight), though that can also be a challenge to fit with married sex life (I can have sex with my wife without feeling need for an orgasm up to around that 2 week mark, but beyond that it becomes quite difficult), and it is also sort of unclear to me whether more extended brahmacharya, which I can only achieve by largely avoiding sexual stimulation, is a road to faster spiritual progress as compared with e.g., 1 orgasm/fortnight with tantric/long pre-orgasmic stimulation.

I do know that achieving amrita, etc. much less fully purifying the nervous system are still quite rare accomplishments in the world–things monks may devote their whole lives to without trying to balance work and family and still maybe not achieve, so maybe I should not be impatient or think my progress slow. Thanks for any thoughts!

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Hi Casey

You still think that you are someone who is going to achieve something

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Hi Maheswari,

I understand the idea that the concept of a separate self is a mental construct created moment to moment.

What I do not understand is why awareness seems to be localized in time and space. That is, there is this body, this nervous system, and a corresponding node of awareness of the things going on around this body and nervous system while it is conscious and functioning. There is not awareness of what is going on in other nervous systems (though maybe my “mirror neurons” or ability to feel things from perspective of others’ within my field of perception may be stronger than when I first began practice).

If there is “nobody” there to achieve anything, then why practice at all? Yes, the idea of the individual self as separate may be an illusion, but there really is a nervous system that has to be purified to fully realize that. If the idea of being here now and not there then is just an illusion created by the mind, then why does not everyone have access to all consciousness/awareness at all times and places?

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Casey, I’ve been practicing for about 6 1/2 years. I’m in my 60s. I understand your desire for more progress and a time urgency. I am slowly accepting this is a journey not a destination. Comparison with others steals a lot of energy from acceptance of where you are. You report a lot of wonderful developments. I also can relate to your desire to achieve the fruits of the practice as I used to have a very strong voice challenging if the time and effort I put into the practices was worthwhile. I have gradually found my daily meditations more ecstatic making it easier to keep at it even if I haven’t “achieved” an expected state.

I can tell you I continue to have vitality in my 60s and believe AYP helps with my youthful energetic state as I find many of my peers live in a state of greater fear about aging. My only advice would be not spend too much time projecting into the future worrying about failing to achieve an expected state. I sense all the progress I have made is cumulative and something I get to continue to benefit from the older I get.

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Hello again Casey

I too am in my mid sixties, practicing AYP since 2013, and conductive since 2017 although it has only been a few years since this conductivity has “matured” to a consistent state where in DM silence is omnipresent and I am able to observe my energetic body in complete surrender. I have yet to experience anything like Amrita, siddhis, or encounters with angels, sages, or archetypes. My guess is each path is individual and that we don’t all check all possible stages or markers along the way, that we purify in our own personal ways depending on our experiences, histories, and lot on this human plane. My practice has revealed to me, through discipline, witness, and surrender, a confidence that I am more than this flesh, that I can access silence simply by inviting it to the forefront, that I am not my thoughts, that I am not afraid of death, that I should favor good health and lead with love, day in, day out. The promise of liberation is always there, but may not be realized this go around, and I am content with that because there is so much pleasure in this pursuit of non duality.

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Hi Interpaul and Michael,

Thanks so much for sharing your experiences.

It is good to know that many still feel vital and energetic in their sixties. Although it has been emphasized that AYP is not a magical longevity technique, I do think there is a tendency Yogani has noted for us to favor healthy living as we advance on the path (natural yama and niyama). This may enable us, in many cases, to feel energetic longer than average, especially in an age when many struggle with poor diet, sedentary lifestyles, substance abuse, and so on.

I do think it is right not to make too many comparisons–I often thought, especially when I first began reading AYP, that many of the experiences some described seem bizarre or unfathomable. In some cases I was frankly incredulous (and still am, in cases where e.g., someone claims to have made a car appear with his mind–but who knows!). That made me feel like others’ minds were really unfathomable to me, and so, too, were their individual spiritual journeys.

Yet we all seem to converge toward the same endpoint if we practice long enough, and as Yogani often emphasizes, these results are measured by daily life, not experiences that come up during practice. And I do also feel closer to others in a certain way as practice continues. Maybe this is another reason to emphasize practices and results over experiences: the experiences are infinitely variable and a result of the infinite variety of karmas, traumas, etc. of countless minds and bodies, but the underlying state of peace we are seeking is the same, and so it is there, rather than in experiencing the same thing someone else described, we may find some sense of commonality.

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Hi Casey,

I don’t think there is much data to shed light on the mean duration (or its standard deviation) to reach enlightenment or its various milestones. It would be very interesting to understand which factors that can be controlled by a practitioner are most relevant in reducing the duration, and how large its standard deviation is. Then one could maybe answer the question whether your progress is slow or normal. But if your life quality steadily improved by practicing twice daily AYP over those 20 years, then it probably doesn’t matter so much to get an answer.

One thing you didn’t mention having tried out is going to a residential AYP retreat. You mention that you have a busy family life, so maybe it’s not an option to go to a retreat. A few days per year are enough. I did some AYP solo retreats, an online AYP retreat, and residential AYP retreats, and also other meditation retreats, where everybody was practicing their own style of sitting meditation, but we were doing this in the group. All these retreats created some boost, but comparing them it’s very clear that the group practice is a very important factor. And that’s also what Yogani writes in his book on retreats:

On a retreat, where practitioners are gathered together in one physical place, and practicing together utilizing a specially-designed schedule, the results will be tremendously amplified. Not only tremendously amplified, but also tremendously stabilized. So the results will be much more than with individual practice, and much less likely to be accompanied by the discomforts and stability issues that can occur when individual practice at home is pressed to the limit. This is the magic of group practice. [Yogani]

And having this boost occasionally (e.g. once a year) then accelerates the whole process:

As the influence (initial contrast) of a retreat wears off over weeks and months after we get home, we find ourselves with a stable level of abiding inner silence beyond what we had before going on retreat. Then the next time we go on retreat, we can repeat the cycle of deep cultivation of abiding inner silence, and its integration in daily activity afterward, leading to a further increased base of inner silence. And so it goes, deeper and deeper, or higher and higher, depending on how we might view the cultivation of permanent abiding inner silence in our life. [Yogani]

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Hi TensorTympani,

That is one thing I have thought of and haven’t had much time to do, at least in person, though I did attend one week-long online retreat with Tristan, which I did think provided a significant boost. I think it is easy to underestimate the power of retreats because one thinks, “Well, I could just up my meditation time at home” (and my meditation practice also feels pretty private to me, so there’s a part of me that resists the idea of meditating in a group), but I think there are some additional intangibles, maybe particularly related to bhakti or some “group energy” dynamics that make retreats more powerful than a similar period of upped meditation time without that support.

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Hi Casey

Congrats for all those years of dedicated practices, and I wish you many more, as they say ‘‘Before enlightenment chop wood carry water, after enlightenment chop wood carry water.’’

It can be a long journey that is sure but it’s all worth it at the end, just think of what and where you would be now if you didnt practice AYP for all that time? Give yourself a good pat on the back and be grateful for your time and effort. You probably planted a lot of seeds that you will never see flourish and that is all right. As yogani said ‘You will not be fully enlightened until everyone else is’’.

Your journey is a bit like the one of a karateka, after years of practice you finally get your black belt, and realise that now there is even more years of practice before you to reach the 10th dan. But now you are a guide and a teacher. The goal is still the same but now you have more responsibility and you dont do it for you anymore but for the progression of others.

I have nothing but respect for you, good work!

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Hi Alain,

Yes, I think there is a useful analogy to martial arts and many other areas where the more you know, the more you realize you don’t know. One fortunate difference with meditation as compared to certain pursuits, such as bodybuilding, is that the practices seem to become more effective and powerful as time goes on, whereas, it takes much more extraordinary effort for e.g. someone who is already very muscular to gain even more muscle than it does someone who is untrained.

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