Wikipedia

I’ve add 3 links and 1 reference.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kechari_mudra
The more links, the less “promotional” it would seem. So anyone find any links about kechari mudra, please include it there.
No time to add anything new to the article. Since they require reliable sources, I have to do it later. And I think it’s better to be done by someone else, like david_obsidian.
Of course, I can at least add a paragraph quoting Theos Bernard’s experiment and Hatha Yoga Pradipika. ( since I’ve the books). But I’ll do it later.

Great job, Alvin. I think this is definitely the way to go for the time being, and will be adding a few links myself to miscellaneous wikis later in the day. If everyone chips in a little bit in this manner, AYP can have a decent presence on Wikipedia even without its own entry.

Yes, great job, Alvin.
Other existing pages include kundalini, yoga sutras, tantra and asanas.
There are a lot of practices that are not covered in Wiki that are covered in AYP, and can be written up with historical background in scriptures, traditions and teachers. This was an idea I had in mind to do for linking back to an AYP page. They can also be done without an AYP page, like the kechari article was just done, assuming it sticks. Just go down the list on the AYP topic index and tie in the appropriate lessons to existing or new articles in a similar manner. Maybe start slow to make sure it will work. Don’t want to have a lot of work deleted, like just happened.
There are no Wiki pages for Deep Meditation (only meditation), Spinal Breathing Pranayama (only pranayama), Siddhasana, Sambhavi, Mulabandha, Bastrika, Uddiyana, Nauli, Amaroli and most of the other practices we have here. This reveals how weak Wiki is on yoga – what they have now is mostly sectarian fluff. We’d actually be doing them a favor by filling in on in-the-trenches practices. A nice project for a few someones, and educational too, because research would be necessary to pick up the additional sources to create non-biased articles, not to mention reviewing the corresponding AYP lessons. If one or two are done per week, it will add up over time.
Thanks, and good luck!
The guru is in you.

Here is a reply to my note this AM. See Alvin, Wiki is not about “truth,” but maybe something can still be done with it per above posts. Check the link below too for guidelines…
Response to Dear Wikians:
Yogani, your comment on the AfD shows you haven’t really looked into precisely what Wikipedia is intended to be. An encyclopedia. Just like the dusty ones on the shelf. An encyclopedia summarizes published information. Its criteria is verifiability in published third-party sources, not truth. Also, writing an article about yourself is strongly discouraged. I see someone posted a welcome message for you, did you read any of the suggested material???
Of course, we welcome your verifiable contributions to articles on yoga, etc. but please take the time to read about what WP is supposed to be, what the criteria for inclusion are, and refrain from writing about yourself or your activities. And by the way, if you want to remain anonymous, an article on WP is the last thing you want. It would take only one person who knows who you are to add it to the article and then you could never remove it, as no one can own an article on WP, not even one about yourself. And if there is any verifiable or even unverifiable dirt or even nasty rumours about you, if you have even one enemy, you’ll end up battling to keep that info out of the article and end up nominating the article for deletion yourself. It happens all the time when people post autobiographies… —Hanuman Das 13:07, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
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I’ve updated the following Wikipedia entries with AYP links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tantra
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pranayama
I stopped there as I think it would be better if the additions came from multiple users as opposed to one user doing a clean sweep. If anyone has any questions on editing wiki entries, please feel free to ask or email me through here.

A note to Hanuman on his note above, and an encouraging reply:
Yogani to Hanuman:
Thank you, Hanuman Das. I am learning. Cannot help but notice a lack of articles on individual yoga practices in Wiki, let alone their integration into effective practice routines. Are verifiable articles on practices welcome? Also, can the Yogani article be placed on my user page with links intact? Can others edit that? Nothing to hide here … no hidden agenda. In AYP, what you see is what you get. The guru is in you. Yogani 21:10, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Hanuman to Yogani:
Yes, I think you have to ask an admin to move it, though. I think regular users can’t move between namespaces, like from article space to user space. Put a note on the AfD (article for deletion) and the closing admin should be able to do it.
On article for individual yoga practices, postures, asanas, etc. I think that would be great. I wasn’t even aware that so many were missing until getting involved in these AfDs… They are really needed and as long as references and citations are given, should be perfectly fine. If you have any problem with them let me know and I may be able to give you a hand with formatting or other details to make sure they are acceptable WP articles. —Hanuman Das 23:36, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
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Hi All:
Okay, the original AYP articles are both deleted now. Actually, the Yogani one has been moved to my user page, and I believe it is safe there for the time being. Hard to tell in the crazy Wiki world. :slight_smile:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Yogani
(previously edited by others – article not entirely by me)
This user page gives some guidelines for anyone wishing to add articles on practices. All the red and brown links are missing articles on Wiki that we can do as and when we find time. Obviously, anything we write on practices should cite “notable” sources and have an AYP lesson link in the external links. Not sure if we can do more than that with AYP on Wiki, though we did manage to stay “notable” so far in the kechari mudra article. Time will tell…
Kindly place links here in this topic for any Wiki articles written, or for articles where AYP external links or other edits are added, like Trip and Alvin have done above. Those AYP external links on Wiki have stuck so far.
Many thanks!
The guru is in you.

Hello everyone,
Thanks for all the ideas and contributions you made to this. I do want to apologize for just starting the topic and not following up (or contributing). Life has been crazy and I haven’t had time to get online in a while.
Yogani, Alvin, and Trip, I think you’re onto something with adding external links. This seems like a better approach. It seems like adding an article is an uphill battle. Wikipedia seems to be less threatened by the external links than an article on AYP or Yogani. And I think people are more likely to search for “tantra”, “kechari”, etc. than “yogani” or “AYP”, simply because they are more familiar terms and are more general topics.
When I have some free time, I’ll create a Wikipedia profile and add more external links. Great job! :slight_smile:

New Yogani article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yogani

Very nice job, Trip. Thanks!
I will be amazed if it sticks, unless AYP/Yogani has become more “notable” in Wiki’s eye over the past 30 days. Stranger things have happened in Wiki world. :sunglasses:
Failing to get an AYP article to stick on Wiki before, the strategy shifted to placing external links to relevant AYP lessons in articles on practices, and creating new articles on practices, using the Yogani user page (which seems to be a secure outpost) as a checklist for links to articles:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Yogani
As you can see by checking the practice links here, they don’t have many articles on yoga practices on Wiki.
If your new article sticks, the links on practices could be duplicated in there over time also. We already have one good beachhead in the kechari article, and it links back to your article!
One thing is for sure. Anything I personally do on Wiki can raise red flags on “self promotion,” so I have to be careful, sticking to new articles only on practices like the ones mentioned in the user profile linked above – deep meditation, spinal breathing pranayama, etc. I have not had a chance to do any yet. Anyone who is so inclined, please feel free to take the lead…
The guru is in you.

Hehe yes I’ll be amazed as well, but figured it was worth a shot from a different angle.
This is of course only a bare-bones article (to be expanded upon) focusing mainly on what sets your approach & teachings apart from others, and hopefully making you a bit more “notable” in the process. :stuck_out_tongue:

There are some major differences this time, I think. First, it’s posted by someone else, secondly it’s bare-bone. When the name “yogani” is mentioned by someone else, it sounds much greater and more famous, isn’t it? :grin:
May be keep it this way for sometime first, before adding anything? To make sure it sticks…

Maybe there are some advantages to mythologizing after all, though I’m sure David would disagree. :sunglasses:
The guru is in you.

Yogani, I know you are sort of joking, but if I take the idea seriously, I think it depends just on what the ‘mythologizing’ means, and how far it is going. The more innocent and pure end of mythologizing runs into a continuum with ordinary PR (Public Relations), so it’s probably best not called mythologizing… It’s the less mild end of it that is problemmatic — and it can be quite insidious, so ‘less mild’ doesn’t necessarily mean ‘very visible’ in this case…
However, I am happy to say that I have seen Yogani
(i) say he doesn’t know
(ii) apologize
(ii) ask for ideas and suggestions
which is all genuinely counter to the self-mythologization of the insidious kind. It’s genuine and truthful anti-pedestal behavior, cultivating a mature relationship with other intelligent beings.

On the other hand, the fact that Yogani remain anonymous somehow mythologize him a bit. Though he certainly did enough to balance out that effect self-disclosures that a guru with name won’t tell you.

On the other hand, the fact that Yogani remain anonymous somehow mythologize him a bit.
True, but in this case I think the motivation is that he doesn’t want to have an invasive, hard-to-control-and-limit public life. Nothing wrong with that IMO. Nothing wrong with wanting to be able to turn off the computer and with that, be done completely with the whole yoga-teaching business and then have a quiet, private, anonymous life until you next turn the computer on again.
Which all just goes to show that a little mythologization will come for free whether you want it or not, which is why it is has to be labored against. :slight_smile:

Hi Alvin,
Agreed. In the meantime, we’ll just shift focus back to adding external links to other articles and creating new articles on practices. Then in a month or so (if it sticks), we can start expanding the Yogani article a bit.
Brett :slight_smile:

By the way, I’m starting my second book review on amazon, this time the anatomy of hatha yoga which is quite popular. Not much time now, though. Got to rush through my thesis and I’m looking for a 9-5 job which is not quite common here :frowning_face: Otherwise I don’t know if I can keep up with my practice!

Hi All:
It should be mentioned that Brett never gave up on AYP’s worthiness to be in Wikipedia, and after several go arounds since last summer, has convinced the powers that be that AYP belongs. As of today, the AYP page (enhanced) has been restored with deletion tags removed. Bravo!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yogani
The guru is in you.

I say the same and thank you for your hard work Brett!
(The first external link should probably point to www.aypsite.org ?)