visualization

Brian,
Have you tried AYP’s Self Inquiry methods yet? The more I read your posts the more I think you give too much credence to other people’s ideas. You seem to quote someone in every posting :wink: whether it is the Bible or Vedic scriptures, and I think you should potentially look into leaving the spiritual books alone for a while and try using Self Inquiry as your source of divine inspiration. All the answers you seek are waiting within to be acknowledged. The inner guru seems to be trying to get out, but you seem to be pushing him back in by reading and absorbing so much scripture. I may be WAY off base here, and feel free to tell me so if that is what you think, but after reading and rereading your posts today, this is my inclination or suggestion. Yogani’s Self inquiry book is amazing, and I would suggest starting there. There are other versions of Self Inquiry such as Adyashanti’s version, but I don’t think that his is a very good stand alone practice, and I think AYP’s is much more well rounded especially if you are already doing DM and SBP. Hope this helps even a little.
Love,
Carson :+1:

Hi all,
I don’t know anything about chin pump or self-inquiry, Carson.
Pranayama, the heart organ, and ishta as “loving ones enemies” is taken up in my new thread concerning AYP Lesson #220, http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4658
I hope all of you join me over there, and offer your own practices concerning your own choice of ishta.
newpov

I agree with Carsonzi about the bible taking the bhakti approach and there are many interpretations of it. Trying to use it for instructions can be confusing because much of it has been encrypted, and by different people.
I think it is asking for trouble to try and follow yoga practices from the bible. The bible has been edited and parts eliminated by people who didn’t have a complete understanding of yoga.
Concentrating on any one chakra or organ is what Yogani warns about, as “under the hood” tinkering instead of just staying in the driver’s seat with AYP practices,
which automatically take care of the chakras when the time is right.
I’ve found it is more productive to follow AYP practices, and use the bible for Bhakti. How this is done, is pick one passage from the bible, and contemplate on it every day for a couple weeks. (Outside of meditation time of course). You will begin to understand it in a different way than when you just read it. It will increase your bhakti, and thereby make your AYP practices more effective. You will understand it on a different level than before.
I cannot explain why this is so, but it makes the bible more valuable than if you try to use it as an instruction manual.
Sri Yukteswar suggested this, Yogananda’s guru, and I have found it to be true also.

Thanks for the suggestion Etherfish…Lately I’ve had a bit of a “need” to read the Bible, a I’ve been debating with my family over the compatability of Christianity and Yoga, and this seems like the perfect way for me to read it. I have read the whole thing cover to cover twice before, but I think if I do it the way you are suggesting I will get much more out of it this time around. Thanks for the suggestion.
Love,
Carson :+1:

Well I can speak to this from personal experience, if the heart is worked on too often or the openings of the heart exceed those of other areas in the body there can be imbalance in the system as a whole. As Yogani makes clear so often throughout the AYP lessons, spiritual opening has to occur in a gradual balanced way or the results are simply unpleasant.
Hence things are left “under the hood” to avoid our mind’s natural tinkering ways. We can not possibly know mentally with great accuracy where our imbalances are and how they can be remedied. Better to treat the system as a whole and this is what AYP practices do.
There is no denying the role of the heart in spiritual opening, but one has to be ready for all that entails and the best way is by twice daily practice as detailed in the main lessons tab above with plenty of self-pacing when necessary.
If there is still plenty of energy to get things going, a great way to use it is in service to others (without motive) and self-inquiry can go a long way too. :slight_smile:
Best of luck!
ps- I just read through the rest of the thread noting Carson covered pretty much everything here already. :slight_smile:

Hi all,
Unenlightened or less spiritually aware or awakened editors and translators could be doing the bidding of spiritual authors, carrying the message to the discerning student, without their even knowing or realizing or appreciating what they do. This is because spiritual teaching including yogic instruction may be carried in imagery and sequences of images. Poetry and allusion and irony, and presumably even the faithfully translated and edited parables of Jesus in the New Testament, are appreciated by the relatively few.
Thanks, everyone, for having contributed to this thread!
newpov

Hi newpov,

Yeah there certainly could be, and may be yogic instructions within the Bible. But there CERTAINLY is yogic instruction here at AYP. Why not use what is certain?
Love,
Carson :+1: