Hi Gnosis,
I really appreciate your help and encouragement.
I was under the illusion because of TM that one must only use a bija mantra/seed mantra in meditation.
I spoke to an EX TM teacher friend today,and she was explaining to me that the longer mantra will actually allow one to experience the various levels as you effortlessly head to the transcendent,and when you get there you’ll stay there longer.
I love the double whammy of chanting the mantra outside of meditation periods as you focus on a goal!
Time to bring these ancient formulas into the 21st century.
Namaste,
John Joe
Hi JohnJoe,
All mantras can be used without initiation but in my experience they are more effective when given by a realised guru or with his blessing.I can give you initiation if you wish, please email for further details including a recording with correct pronunciation.As Gnosis corectly states using mantra for japa gives greater progress but you can also get further progress by chanting as fast as possible silently during sitting practice.This creates immense energy for purification although you may need to self pace.
As for TM I practiced same in the mid 70’s and was given I-IM. I can tell you that the siddha mantras are much more effective and have cost me much less than $16,000. In fact my training has been cost free apart from my trip to India. I have been with my teacher for 5 yrs cost free.I received shaktipat in 2005 which I don’t believe even the Maharishi has received and had some wonderful experiences.
L&L
Dave
WOW!
I would love an initiation.
JJ
Is the initiation something like a reiki attunement?
I’m a Reiki Master (I hate that term, but it just means that I can do reiki attunements!).
I learnt the TM puja, and often do a manasa puja of it, mainly as I can’t get a lot of the puja items here in Ireland.
Lately, I’m more drawn to doing a Shiva Manasa Puja, as I’m not really sure about TM origins etc.
Tomorrow I plan to connect myself back to source through reiki, as I begin a 40 day sadhana of Om Gum Shrim Maha Lakshmiyei Swaha
Namaste,
John Joe
Riptiz, would you please care to elaborate on that statement?
Peace.
Glagbo.
Thank you yogani,
I wish to thank you for having such an open forum.
I quote from your welcome post to me!
‘‘From the AYP point of view, it is always your path and your choice. If you are willing to take the responsibility for self-directed integrated practice, you can find a lot of help in the AYP writings, and in this forum.
One thing you will not find in the AYP writings is what to do with other systems of practice. It is best to go to the source of those for that. On the other hand, there are plenty of individuals here in the forum from many different backgrounds who may offer their own opinion on just about any aspect of practice, AYP or other. Maybe others with a TM background will offer a few comments.
Wishing you all the best on your chosen path. Practice wisely, and enjoy!’’
Thanks to you providing such an open forum, people with lots of different backgrounds, and at the same time a common interest in meditation, are able to share their experiences. A great debt of Gratitude is owed to you, and I salute you.
Namaste,
John Joe
I checked out several TM websites and low and behold there was no mention of a mantra in the various descriptions of the technique, except here:-
http://www.tm.org/news/usa_today.html
I quote: It focuses on transcendental meditation, or TM, the most widely practiced type in the U.S., Glaser says. TM involves sitting with eyes closed, thinking of “a meaningless sound” (mantra) for 20 minutes a day. The aim: a state of “restful alertness devoid of thoughts, emotions and perceptions.”
The beauty about AYP is that the universal mantra used ‘IAM’ is for all intents and purposes a meaningless sound, which can have meaning if you want it to!
None of TM’S Mantras are meaning free, they are meaning free on the surface, but each mantra once enlivened through repetition attunes the practitioner to a particular aspect or aspects of Divine energy, please note that I have written the mantras in the exact way that they are pronounced:-
Ing, Im, and EEm: - wakes up the energy of Yoni, basic Shakti.
Ing-ah, Im-ah, and EEm-ah: - are a combination of Yoni and Brahma
I-ing and I-im: - wakes up the energy of Creativity, Knowledge, and intelligence, eloquence, personified by the Goddess Sarasvati.
I-ing-ah and I-eem-ah: - wakes up the energy of Creativity, Knowledge, intelligence, eloquence, personified by the Goddess Sarasvati, in combination with Brahma.
Shear-ing and Shear-im for Lakshmi the Goddess of Wealth. Career development, gaining wealth to support a family, typically given for ages 18 to 32, when an individual is working
Hi-ring, Heh-rem, and Hi-rim for Bhuvaneswari, or Mahamaya. Parenting, transmission of values and wisdom to the next generation, typically given to parents, ages 25 to 40
Ki-ring,and Ki-rim for Kalika [goddess of fulfillment of desires, destroyer of obstacles] Integration of the experiences of life, fulfillment of remaining personal aspirations and desires, given for middle age and above when the children are grown, as early as age 40
She-am, and she-ah-ma for Krishna [the god of love, the all-attractive one] Attraction of a life mate, may be typically given at any age from 18 to 36, when issues of loneliness or being single are paramount for the individual
I meditated for years with the mantra ‘i-ing’ twice daily, after about a year I noticed that I had developed a huge thirst for knowledge, and that learning became much easier, together with enhanced communication skills.Many years later I discovered that my mantra was a Sarasvati Bija.
Unlike most bija mantras, TM mantras are not monosyllabic; I believe that this was done deliberately to dilute the power of the bija to allow a time release effect.
When it comes to meditation, TM chose to present their mantras as
meaningless, where in fact they are not.
AYP is completely transparent presenting a technique with the mantra IAM just as a focal point during effortless meditation.
This gives each meditator an interesting choice, they can either meditate with IAM for the benefits of deep meditation, or they can meditate with a bija or longer mantra for a multifold purpose.
Namaste,
John Joe
Hi Glagbo,JohnJoe,
I don’t believe that the Maharishi’s guru was a siddha and gave shaktipat. The information I have been given is that the Maharishi has awakened his Kundalini the hard way with intense practices which has obviously meant a massive commitment.When one has the benefit of an enlightened siddha’s energies then the progress is quicker.
You may liken the intiation to Reiki when given remotely but it is by sankalpa and a sending of the energy although Reiki attunements can also be given without symbols and by intent.When given by my sadguru he presses the energy into several points on the body.
L&L
Dave
[quote=“riptiz”]
I don’t believe that the Maharishi’s guru was a siddha and gave shaktipat. The information I have been given is that the Maharishi has awakened his Kundalini the hard way with intense practices which has obviously meant a massive commitment.When one has the benefit of an enlightened siddha’s energies then the progress is quicker.
You may like the intiation to Reiki when given remotely but it is by sankalpa and a sending of the energy although Reiki attunements can also be given without symbols and by intent.When given by my sadguru he presses the energy into several points on the body.
[/quote] Dave, thank you for the clarification.
For the while, I mistook your statement for a suggestion that a round of Shaktipat and a few resultant experiences were more satisfactory to you than the yogic accomplishments of someone like Maharishi, albeit achieved the “hard way”.
To quote Yogani on the mostly unrealized promises of fast-tract approaches “It takes whatever it takes, for as long as it takes.”
Peace,
Glagbo.
Hi Dave,
When you say the following:-
‘but you can also get further progress by chanting as fast as possible silently during sitting practice.This creates immense energy for purification although you may need to self pace.’
Do you mean thinking the mantra, or whispering it?
Namaste,
John Joe
Hi JohnJoe,
Chanting the mantra mentally as fast as possible creates purification.
L&L
Dave
Hi All,
It can be good to clarify here that when we talk about controlling the speed of the mantra, making it faster etc., we are not referring to AYP deep meditation, where we let the mantra have its own speed, clarity etc. And, the AYP mantra I AM is repeated mentally in the mind, not chanted, or pronounced outwardly.
Hi Weaver,
Yes I am not talking about AYP meditation, in fact I am not talking about meditation, I am talking about japa.The mantra is repeated in the mind as fast as possible with eyes open or closed.I do not know of any other systems that use this method but it is a valid and very effective method.Possibly Yogani has not experienced this method before or tried it’s effect or simply believes it is too effective to be used safely in his teachings.
L&L
Dave
Dave,
I presume that this method can be used for a long mantra,or a bija mantra?
See this link where Paul Russil talks about Mantras.
http://books.google.com/books?id=78HRnC_-1SIC&pg=PA96&lpg=PA96&dq=bija+mantra+are+pure+energy&source=web&ots=grTOmWNq7Y&sig=PnbUYgD2KbWyQym5VkYd9ankmCo#PPA96,M1
Namaste,
John Joe
Moderator note: Topic moved for better placement
Hi JohnJoe,
Yes, You can use this method for any mantra.The Butta Shuddi mantra my sadguru gave me in 2005 is a purification mantra and takes me 20 seconds to chant once when used as fast as possible mentally.It is longer than the Gayatri mantra and is very powerful, simply saying it twice mentally makes my head buzz with energy.
L&L
Dave
WOW!
Thanks Dave.
L&L
John Joe
F.A.O riptiz and Gnosis,
Hi Dave and Gnosis
Your advice please.
I find when I’m doing Japa with ‘Om Gum Shrim Maha Lakshmiyei Swaha!’
I chant along at the same kind of rhythm that Thomas Ashley-Farrand does on his audios, but when I’m meditating internally and effortless with this mantra, it tends to change and go at its own rhythm. Is that okay, or must you concentrate, and try to keep it the same all the time?
Namaste,
John Joe
Hi JohnJoe,
The pronunciation is the important thing.Pace can change and you can lose the mantra, when I do I chant it in a whisper for a few seconds to get back on track.If you can manage japa with eyes closed you will find greater effect.Unfortunately I fall into samadhi very quickly with eyes closed.LOL
L&L
Dave
Hi Dave,
What do you do when you give initiation over email?