Mukti

Don’t you think his work speaks for itself? :slight_smile:
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Ramana is one of my Istha. His love and guidance is felt everyday.

Don’t chase after mukti. Engage in activities/hobbies you enjoy- dance, listen to music, work, cook for family, help the needy and continue your practice. Mukti will slowly creep on you. Don’t try to run from this world-God created this world for a reason :slight_smile: . You are going through a phase- it will pass.

Hari om tat sat
Dear sunyata
What do you mean by giving mukti away. Actually i also used to like gurus being liberated but i just don’t believe in it anymore.
Yes his works speak but it is not enough to say he will get mukti so i think. i actually doubt if at all anyone might have achieved it
i also like ramana maharishi just trying to find truth
What u r mentioning about engaging in activities might give peace of mind or whatever it might give, u can’t expect mukti to be achieved from these things
It is still what created this world
Dear karl
Why do you say one life don’t you believe in rebirth

Stillness in action. I’m sure you have had moments in life where you have felt so much joy, peace, contentment and happiness that you have lost track of time and yourself while engaging in activity. Serving others without a motive- not thinking what’s in it for me. Just flowing with what is. Some do it in a large scale like- Yogani :pray: and others do it in a small scale with whoever they come in contact with everyday.

This is a good thing. You will not fall easily for anyone who claims to be liberated. You have to find it out for yourself. Once you start tasting liberation, you will have to have it and then give it away.

It’s not a matter of belief. Our bodies might eventually be recycled, our essential self is unique even as consciousness maybe considered uniform. Once the mould is broken there are no more exactly like you. It’s like putting batteries into a toy car and then into a radio. The essential power source is the same, but it’s interaction is unique.
Rulers/religions/tricksters throughout the ages have instilled into their subjects the idea that their reward for obedience is to be found in an afterlife. What they could not, or did not want to provide in physical comforts in life their subjects would attain in death. The rulers acted as deities, chosen by the Gods and each consecutive ruler would be entombed in such a way that it would reinforce the idea for the next generation of rulers.
Once you become familiar with the notion that there is no coming back, no nirvana then this changes things. What we do now is all we will ever do. We should make our work about freeing ourselves and as many other from suffering in whatever small way we can. :pray:

Hari om tat sat
Dear karl
So what u r saying is their is only rebirth but no mukti is it.
But i want mukti

Hari om tat sat
Dear sunyata
No actually i can never tell their was such moments i think might be only 3 months in my lifetime n others all r just not that much, all these things doesn’t matter to me anymore i just want mukti. What do you mean by giving it away
See i mean mukti is coming out of birth death cycle n becoming one with god so how r u going to giving it away

Ranjan- My apologies- I was responding in terms of liberation in this life time and what can be done to progress towards it in this lifetime. From my perspective- I worry about what can be done now to be one with God :pray: . Haven’t thought much about next lifetime or freedom from birth and death.
With practices every moment, everyday feels like a rebirth :heart:

Dear Ranjan,
It does not matter what you believe. Spiritual realization has nothing to do with beliefs. Spiritual realization comes from direct experience. Daily spiritual practice makes you likely to get the experience.
How would you know if anyone achived mukti? Only if you are one, you recognize one. I tell you, if you meet a realized guru, chances are you would not understand him/her. Look only at a smaller example: Ananda is telling you that there is no time - and you say that you do not understand what he means. But Ananda’s words make sense to me - it is a state in meditation in which time collapses and then disappears - you need to go through the experience to understand it.
How would you like to attain mukti? Should someone come to you and give it to you? Do you think you are ready to live at that level of energy? Do you think you can manage?
There is no shortcut. Precious things come with a price: You need to put the time and effort to get any results, including spiritual results. The AYP system is better than having a mukti guru: Here you have very clear simple lessons that give you directions to attaining mukti for yourself. Do not believe me. Try it for yourself.
The guru is in you!
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Funnily i asked myself this question yesterday while talking to a friend. What i gained is being “real”. As per the other topics, it doesn’t matter if i reply or not. I see no more need to contribute in this topic also. I wish u peace and fulfillment :pray: namaste

Blanche shows you a way that works Ranjan, step by step you will find your own results. go for it! :pray: :heart:

Charliedog :pray:

You are Mukti. You cannot want what you already are. Mukti is your nature.
You don’t know what Mukti is and so it is not known to you that you are that. Inquire of the one who searches for Mukti. Find that one.
If you are a flower looking for a flower, but unable to recognise a flower, then how long will you search ?
Do not concern yourself with rebirth, reincarnation, immortality, powers, heaven or anything else beyond your direct control. Find out what you are.

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Hari om tat sat
Jai shri rama Om namah shivaya
Dear Anand
You give a good response
Now yogani might be a good guru but how to say he has achieved mukti
See ramana maharishi claims he is everywhere now or he is always with his bhakthas or disciples. So how to say it is true or to say where is ramana maharishi now
Ok you n others feel that this is my quest. Ok so would u like to tell what is that u r finding from these practices and what have you achieved till now
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There is no ‘achieving’. It is your nature.
Practice achieves skill in that which you practice. If you want to get good at meditation then meditate, if you want to get good at riding a bike you must practice riding a bike.
Ramana is dead. He had a good life. Now concern yourself with your own.

Hari om tat sat
Dear sunyata
Apologies accepted actually no need for apologies.
So can you communicate with him
Dear Ananda blanche Charlie n others
Ok what makes u think u r experience r true n not some type of imagination. See their is not just experience but also confusions which might arise due to our belief n attitudes n many other things.
I think u all might be not at all interested in mukti all these are for making u r life effective, be more energetic, peace of mind n bliss. I am not able to understand what u all r looking for.
Dear karl
Why would you say ramana dead if he is dead then i am already dead
I thought you believed in rebirth.
See mukti might be our nature or not is still unknown. But if it is our very nature why is it hidden. Do you think you have came to know the true nature of yourself

Dear Ranjan,
Why do you want mukti? Are you suffering-mental, physical? Can you be more specific and give examples of the nature of your suffering?

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Hari om tat sat
Dear karl
Why would you say ramana dead if he is dead then i am already dead
I thought you believed in rebirth.
See mukti might be our nature or not is still unknown. But if it is our very nature why is it hidden. Do you think you have came to know the true nature of yourself
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It does not follow that because ramana is dead then you are dead does it ? You are writing here so I assume you remain alive.
There is no rebirth. I talked about recycling of organic material.
It is most certainly known, for you are that.
It is not hidden unless you refuse to acknowledge it .
How could I be unaware of what I am ? Just as you are always aware of what you are.
A flower has an excuse for not knowing it is a flower, it lacks the reasoning ability to know it. You have no such excuse. You must do whatever you think you must do in order to dispel the notion that you do not know. Meditate, do exercise, read books, join clubs, travel, eat special foods, dye your hair blue, wear orange robes, abstain from sex, chant, sing, become a hermit, join a travelling band of seekers…anything it takes.

Hari om tat sat
Dear sunyata
It is not about sufferings anymore. It is only about mukti. See this life is only about rat race. Whoever succeds in life finds fruits of life. And health itself has become a very hard thing. U r going to do the same things whole life r other life again n again. So what is that we achieve? We may come up with new ideas technologies but whatever it may be we can’t go out of rat race nor can anyone be alive for ever. What ever it may be i have lost interest in life in this world so that is why i want mukti. N all the puranas gurus speak of this mukti n become one with god. I think u might understand
Dear karl
how do you think we will know what to do to find ourselves? And in what stage u might think u might u r in this process? Do you know anyone who has found the self?
And one more thing your concept is very different. You mean to say no rebirth n no mukti only this single birth. How is it possible from where or from whom or how did u come to such conclusion. What is your concept will you make it clear
Jai shri rama Om namah shivaya
Jai bajarangabali Jai shri Krishan

This is suffering even though you may view it otherwise. This will be the driving force to help you towards mukti. Have you been practicing AYP? What does your practice consists of? How many years have you been practicing? AYP practices gives rise to inner silence and with the rise of it-your questions will either be answered, disappear or dissolve.
We all have to work for our mukti through spiritual practices. If not, you will spend years in your mind with these questions and asking everyone the answers to your questions. Only the God in you can give you the mukti you are looking for. :pray:

There is no finding necessary, you just think there is.
There is no process, I don’t have to look. Here I am. It is apparent.
There is no finding the self. You are the self.
You are here and now, you are the self. Why concern yourself with past or present lives when you are living this one ?
I did not learn it from anyone. It’s logically derived from direct experience and observation:
I do not remember any past lives. I have never met anyone who has ever been able to prove beyond doubt that they were someone or something else. Conscious awareness does not exist prior to matter. Awareness must be aware of something or how can it be awareness ?