Mahavatar Babaji

Beautiful posts, Govinda. Thank you.

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Hello Folks,
By gosh and by golly, life is a roller-coaster for sure! Hehehe… go figure, what would living be without endless challenges? I got home from work late today, as my car would not start. Groan, I left it in the parking lot and will have to deal with cold, hard reality on the morrow. But I really wanted to touch on a few of the primary ideas I had hurriedly blurted out this morning.
Now, if I was to place one aspect of the experience foremost, one that stood above any other detail… I would emphatically stress that the human immersion into the unity and indivisibility of the Godhead, reveals that the Omniversal presence exists within all things. We are truly the same being, splintered into infinite vantage points. Such a miracle!
To see directly within oneself, that one conscious-awareness perceives through all of the multiple views… somehow seems pretty sweet and wholly freeing. Who could possibly feel imprisoned, lonely or isolated… knowing that everything we see is our own reflection? Admittedly, ego is a charlatan, imposter and a fraud. Call it natural gravity, causality or whatever you want to. But the separate and isolated ego is most certainly, an illusory phantom, a total liar. Again, Tat Tvam Asi. [OM]
It’s totally cool to accept oneself as a ray of the effulgence of Allah, but when we accept the evidence presented by our 5 senses and intellect, we fall helplessly into a virtual nightmare. We’ve surely all been there, eh? Dichotomy stinks. So, how are we to reason out egoism? We cannot, surely, but we can choose to leave it by the cub and enjoy the ecstasy of the journey back into the perfection of Oneness.
The most powerful message I received from Sri Babaji Maharaj, one short year passed, was that NOW is the only time. Here we are. In a second here will become here, yet again. The present moment both eludes or mortal grasp and magically, re-incarnates itself as the Sacred present. We are called, through our hearts, mind and our intuition, to join as a singular force of universal love. God is indeed love. Love is the only thing that I know of, that even remotely resembles the Supreme Being. Light and AUM vibration emerge spontaneously, from such a titanic, cosmic love.
And it is our calling, to bring our focuses together in one harmonious chorus. This is the only moment that will ever exist. Wow… here we are,forevermore transfixed by the interconnection with the totality of that elusive quintessence, that state of unbound,immortal Brahman. Together, we can weave a sweet dreamscape full of peace and cosmic understanding.
I did receive the repeated impression of the idea of the Light-seed. We are souls in germination, destined to bloom triumphantly before the source of our own being. And in so blossoming, we merge within the dynamism of spirit and matter and unite to shine, ever so brightly (forevermore). Bless you all, dear fellow seekers. May your awakening be bright, beautiful and more than anything else, become exponentially freeing.
Cheers and Om Shanti, Shanti, Shanti.

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" Love is the only thing that I know of, that even remotely resembles the Supreme Being. Light and AUM vibration emerge spontaneously, from such a titanic, cosmic love."
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Thank you Govinda. There are so many insights in your posts, I appreciate you sharing everything you did. :slight_smile:
You feel like an old friend here.
Much Love, Namaste :pray:
[OM]

Such a beautiful and inspiring post!!! Hope you have more to share :slight_smile:
Sunyata

Namaste All,
Thanx for all of the kind replies, dear people. I would sincerely like to ask kami and nirmal to go into a little more detail about his/her encounter with the Mahavatar. I suspect we all get similar but unique lessons from the great one. and while my interactions have been largely experiential, expansive and mind-shattering… I wonder if anyone here has gotten any more conceptual teachings? Some words of wisdom or verbal teachings?
I have been touched and it so far as I understand these things, I was lifted to levels way above my natural comprehension, as a gift and/or preview. This Shaktipad has inspired my life and charged my Sadhana, shifting it towards cultivating a deeper union with my source. This boost, coupled with the en suing ecstasy of heightened states of conscious-awareness. Me an ordinary Joe, reborn with an intense yearning to return forevermore, to such planes of indivisible experience.
Om Shanti, Govinda

Hi Govinda,
Thanks for such a beautiful explanation of inner experience. This indeed requires complete dedication or devotion to the path to reach that level. :pray:
However, I would like to draw your attention on few comments you made on Sant Mat. Sant Mat did not originated 200 years back and Sant Tulsi Sahib was not the first in the Sant Mat lineage.
The path of Surat Shabd Yoga was always there and there were many sants practicing such path. But the term “Sant Mat” started taking momentum only during 13th century.
During 13th & 14th century, Namdev and Ramananda were notable sants. Then came Kabir, Nanak, Mira Bai, Surdas, Tulsidas, Tukaram and many more. They were not from one lineage, but they all promoted path of light and sound. Importance of Guru-Desciple relationship was mentioned in Gita even. Sant Mat only promoted this relationship, they did not create this.
They never claim to create something new. If you study Sant Mat carefuly, all the Gurus have taught one path only and they claim that this path has been followed since beginning of mankind.
Sant Mat has divided human body into two parts. Below eye - Materialistic low regions. Above eye - Soul region. They stress upon contemplating on above eye regions. So that disassociates itself with kundalini yoga. When after the initiation from a complete guru, one devotes himself fully under the guidance of his Guru, his all chakras are gradually balanced and he doesnt need to bother about lower regions and should meditate to ascend upwards. Then Sant Mat has divided whole cosmos into many grand divisions associating each division with particular sound/light. It is a huge philosophy well documented and time to time explained/verified by many many sants for past many centuries. We can not simply discard it. :slight_smile:
They do not deride and dismiss the Hindu saints and sages. Most of the people are only involved with religious dogmas. People feel that after they have attended temple, heard or sung chanting/religious songs; they have done enough spiritualy. Sant Mat rather says that we need to move further and start practicing Meditation. When one already adopted inner path of sound and light, there is no need of any such dogmas.
Sants say this body is full of filth. This should not be taken so literally. They mean that while living in this body, we only follow our mind which has descendent to lower regions and is slave of 5 senses. So we are collecting only filth under the domain of mind & senses. We dont even recognise our soul.
btw, have you ever contemplated on why you found Baba Jaimal Singh’s form in anger ??? What are your takes on this ? And then why you found Sant Babaji Maharaj’s image superseding Baba Jaimal Singh ?? Any clue ?? :slight_smile:
More Info on Sant mat:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sant_Mat
Thanks & Regards.
Sudeep

Namaste Sudeep,

I apologize for any misunderstanding my words may have elicited, but I never said Sant Mat was created by Sant Tulsi Sahib, only the term “Radhasoami”, as a specificity in practice and an ensuing religious sect. Sants have always been present upon this world, always will be (regardless of lineage or spiritual tradition).

Of course, dear friend, As God is Supreme and exists everywhere, immanently present within everything, as everything, and yet not limited by any particular form or substance… what we experience with the Inner Light and Sacred Word, are wholly universal. They have without a doubt existed since Brahman initiated quantum fluctuations, thus the indivisible exploded into substantial form, as Ishvara, and in so doing, manifested the Omniverse as we understand it through our sentient consciousness (God dreaming of being the many).
Hence, true Sants have existed on innumerable planets, for eons of cycles of galactic manifestation, full bloom and dissolution… and surely, they always will. And I agree, Sant Mat (Path of the Masters) predates any religion we know on this planetary body, our Earth. During the last Satya Yuga, there were certainly Sants teaching Surat Shabd Yoga.
And I must emphasize here, that even before my initiation into Sant Mat, way back in 1982, I was already practicing Inner Light & Sound mediation. I learned these methods from the Self Realization Fellowship, Sri Swami Paramahansa Yognanda’s organization in the late 1970s. I was re-introduced to them through Sri Swami Sivananda’s Divine Life Society (by way of Sri Swami Satchidanada). And also, through the path of Sufism, as taught by Pir Vilayat Khan. Not surprising though, is it?. One Light, one word, one God… as all is irrefutably, Indivisible Divine Consciousness. :heart:
Lord Rama was the first historical figure we can name with any modicum of certainty, figured by astrologers as being over 7,000 years ago (January 10th, 5114 BCE). Yet there were those long before his advent, and there will be those after our sequence of material existence. But time is one of the greatest illusions we humanoids experience, as we incarnate within the dreamscape of ourselves. Lord Krishna, Zarathustra and Elijah followed… and it is a testament to the living reality of Spirit, that truth shall always bloom within the human condition.
Yet, we as humans, cannot feasibly perceive of the Absolute in relative terms. We cannot understand the Eternal from a sequential standpoint, one fixed within the time-space-continuum. We cannot comprehend Infinity from a limited and isolated mortal perspective. Nor can we wholly grok the formless, insubstantial quintessence, from a definitively subjective vantage point.
The Indivisible Unity cannot be known by the self which is consciously apart from the reality of The Oneness. We must wholly transcend ego-self… and merge into the Divine Field, to know God directly. So, one could easily say that all religions are symmetrical with Sant Mat, in the truest sense of things (and visa versa). :sleeping:

Yes, I agree in principle but not is any specificity or cultural lineage. And I actually have studied Sant Mat, quite deeply, when I wore a younger man’s cloths. I was initiated and was involved with this path for more than 2 years. I am still deeply inspired by the wisdom of Sant Sawan Singh and Sant Kirpal Singh.
And I believe that it is most obvious that it’s roots are wholly Yogic, quite naturally so. But more importantly, without any labels, rational terms or human quantification, human souls perceive the light and sound current as within oneself, as oneself.

Of course not, and I never suggested discarding any documented path, scripture or any method. There is only one reality and it is Divine. All paths lead to this same place, the present here & now. When we understand that this is the only moment and that there is only one being present in all of the Omniverse… we are merging within the Godhead, directly. So, I feel that there is really nowhere to go and nothing to achieve (for we are the That same consciousness, looking out from myriad views). This is it! Heaven exists unilaterally, if we only take note of it’s effulgence. God is the only reality and our dream of a separate, isolated existence is just an appearance, a passing play of energy, flowing ceaselessly. A mirage we perceive as we dream this earthly existence into being.

Sadly, this is not so. To the contrary, it is a habitual condescension, shockingly pervasive throughout the sect. The Sant Mat masters routinely and condescendingly place Saints like: The illumined Sri Babaji Maharaj, Sri Ramakrishna Paramahansa, Sri Lahiri Mahasaya, Sri Aurobindo, Hazarat Inayat Khan, Sri Ramana Maharshi (and just about all other masters from any other path [those not being of the lineage of Sant Mat/Radhasoami Faith], as attaining realization of ONLY the lower astral planes). The lower astral planes? Lower? How ridiculous is that? This is completely absurd and wholly untrue. It breaks my heart to think that such ideas are regularly taught in lieu of spiritual truth.
Sant Ajaib Singh even included Lord Buddha, Jesus Christ and Mohammad in this incomplete category! I heard him say so myself, in 1983. I honestly doubt Sant Kirpal Singh felt this way… but he did repeatedly say that the Hindu Yogis only ascended to the “lower astral planes”. I know this to be wholly untrue. How odd, indeed.
Sant Ajaib Singh said word for word, in June of 1983, “All other paths lead into the mouth of Kal. Only Sant Mat can lead the soul to God”. He was not an enlightened man, I can attest, and his cult is one of the most closed-minded groups I have encountered! From what I’ve seen only the Jehovah’s Witnesses are more extreme in their fervent control over their flock.
Groan… Ajaib went as far as to claim that if any one of the Satsangi spoke irreverently about any of the Sant Mat/Radhasoami Perfect Masters, that the very Sant would magically become a poisonous viper and KILL THEM DEAD with one lethal bite!!! Then, that poor soul would have to be re-incarnated as a dog or a pig, as criminal penance for questioning the wisdom of the Sat Guru. :skull:
This was also the underlined threat against any initiates revealing the 5 Sacred Nams, of the Sant Mat Simran (mantra-repetition). I am not personally in favor of such harsh dogma. My God is all about love and healing. And what’s the big deal with all the secrecy?
Should not God’s effulgent name be spoken euphorically? Don’t we often joyfully chant “Hari Krishna, Hair Rama”? “Hallelujah”, “Hosanna Hey Sanna, Hosana Hey” and “La ilaha ill Allah Hu”?
Such insanity is not in any way shape or form, Sacred Gospel, nor is it any inspired spiritual Dharma. It is a threat and a great lie… used to propagate control over easily influenced devotees. So totally uncool. And it would appear that some of the modern Sants have inarguably degraded the path into a cult of personality, a limited and selective form of worship. This is even worst than blind idol worship, IMO. My Deity exist everywhere. My Lord is shining in everyone and loves all equally. Sorry for being so blunt but I will not accept such one-upmanship as any kind of spiritual truth. It’s rooted in mind stuff, club politics and sectarian egotism.
Pride and religious competitiveness have manifested such slanderous disdain. Frankly, it is completely false… and quite misleading. And if one is truly clear in one’s objective research and completely impartial, there is much documentation of these dogmatized prejudices, expounded by Masters of the Radhasoami Faith (starting with Sant Tulsi Sahib). It’s ironic, as Sant Kabir was initiated with the Mantra “Ram”, by a Hindu Yogin.
They systematically and emphatically claim that “Yogis only access the lower astral planes”. They go so far as to claim Avatars like Rama and Krisha, were servants of Kal (the negative force), themselves co-authors of the illusion of mortality and neither had these Avatars reached the eighth and highest plane above the material realm, the Heavenly abode of Anami. This makes no sense, whatsoever.
Sigh… I can quote innumerable examples but nonsense that would steer this thread away from it’s original subject, the effulgence of Sri Babaji Maharaj. But I digress…
I have found from my own experiences, that the Light and Sacred Sound Current are essential to Hindu Yogic Dharma, Zoroastrianism, the Judeo/Christian traditions and Sufism. All scriptures reference aspects of these phenomena, and I must stress… that much of the conceptual banter about this and that plane of consciousness, are juts that, conceptualization.
There is naught but God existent on any and all planes of consciousness. La ilaha il Allah Hu! This is the only reality. But for we humans, Sadhana is required to cause the shift in one’s awareness. Whether practicing Kriya Yoga, Surat Shabd Yoga or Zazen… only when the mind is completely silent, can said reality be known directly. And so, the direct immersion and eclipsing of self with the Supreme Being.
IMHO, fixation upon the differentiations betwixt the planes is a misnomer, for when we reach the highest level, we recognize that same Divinity upon each and every plane of existential being. Brahman is within all things and exists as the sole essence, manifested in all things,as all things. [OM]
The ascending planes are membranes which separate immense strings of cosmic mind. These become more and more subtle… until there is no relative mind left at all, to perceive any remaining duality. Thus, God or the Unified Being, is known as oneself, seen within all things and felt within the Sacred heart. We ground this epiphany with love and compassion and move beyond dogma, as we integrate the quintessence of the Sacred vibration, through our brief sequential journey.
The whole purpose of Simran or Namah Japa, is to cause the mortal mind is to become quieted and stilled. When mental silence is achieved, Light and the primordial sonic vibration, lift the awareness into the Divine state. In such immense quietude… the ego incrementally dies. No separation is noted by the indwelling witness, nor does any self perceive the subjective play of this or that. Omniscience is all- pervasive.
Full immersion absorbs the veil of our fleeting isolation from the Unified Field of Being. All is known as oneself and oneself is a translucency of sorts. All is irrefutably One. Sri Yukteswar himself wrote a book called, Surat Shabd Yoga.

That sounds like a loaded question, my friend. And I honestly erred with the name of this individual. I left that path 30 years ago and will admit, I was confused as to this human being’s name. So, I am most apologetic, for I mistakenly named this Sant incorrectly. It was Sant Huzur Maharaj’s visage, not Sant Jaimal Singh’s, that I saw. My bad. (am I ever embarrassed).
I will edit my earlier statements, as they were done in haste, on my way to work, rushing to get there without being late to punch in on the time clock. Again, please forgive my mistake, mixing the correct names of these two Radhasoami Sants. :blush:
But that being said, I suppose I do have many clues as to how this thought bubble arose within my head. The human face reveals many things but for my own unique path towards God, love is as easy to read as the beauty of the cosmos above our heads.
Love is of itself, Omniscient and Divine. It is reflected upon the visage of human beings and can be clearly seen in the eyes, upon forehead and the subtle posturing of the mouth, as they echo it’s radiance. Sri Anandamahyi Ma is a superb example of such a high frequency of human attunement, as was Sri Sitaramdas Omkarnath. Such bright lights shining beatifically!
And admittedly, I may err in my fragile understanding, as I am just another pilgrim along the Great Way. But this is a link to some of the pics of Sant Huzur Maharaj. Somehow his image appeared before my mind’s eye and then, my two physical eyes. And I confused his name with another person. Again, forgive my silly mistake.
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1600&bih=797&q=Sant+Huzur+Maharaj&oq=Sant+Huzur+Maharaj&gs_l=img.12...0.0.1.356288.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0...0.0...1ac..12.img.CryElw1-ANE#hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=Sant+Huzur+Maharaj&oq=Sant+Huzur+Maharaj&gs_l=img.12...0.0.0.4154.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0...0.0...1c..12.img.pBOLzpZEAok&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.45960087,d.dmQ&fp=fd8c762d0e544ee4&biw=1600&bih=797
And I sincerely hope that I have not misjudged or projected anger upon his features. There are numerous photos clearly showing his facial expressions. He often looked kinda “grumpy”, as we say in America. But it was only my personal impression, that briefly inter-phased within my pre-Samadhi contemplations.
But more than anything else, it is my sincere hope and prayer, that we can move beyond sectarian differences and unite in one joyous awakening. All is One!!!
Om Shanti, Shanti, Shanti :pray:

Namaste All,
I am quite curious to know if any others have had direct contact with the great sage, Sri Babaji Maharaj. And I’d love to hear more from those who have confirmed that they have been touched by his Grace. Or for that matter, any souls who have had any meaningful experiences with his disciples: Sri Lahiri Mahasaya, Sri Yukteswar or Sri Paramahansa Yogananda. Don’t be shy folks, would you mind sharing a bit of your spiritual communion? :pray:
Om Shanti, Govinda

Hi Govinda,
I have experienced/shared the light of both Sri Babaji Maharaj and Sri Paramahansa Yogananda. :slight_smile:
Best wishes, Jeff

I treasure the appearances of Paramahansa Yogananda in many of my dreams over the past 30 years and find myself chanting “Babaji” at sexual climax for many years too.

Hi Govinda,
Thank you again for your beautiful posts. They have had a huge impact here. :pray:
Babaji has become an integral part of my life and path, in a very short time. I sense his presence whenever I wish to, but the most intense connection occurs through the central channel (sushumna) and being drawn upward. This going “within” the central channel is something that happened by chance, to discover that there is a wider communication pathway “upwards” for lack of a better term. My entire being is pulled or drawn beyond the crown, to about 1-2 feet above. Here, communion with Babaji (and many other sages) takes place. There is loss of body perception and a single magnificent point of awareness remains. I lose track of time and space, and Babaji is all there is. He and I become one… Often, this is so intense that I feel sort of burned upon returning to normal functioning.
This particular sort of thing is something that I cannot “make” happen - Babaji determines when and how. A few weeks ago, I seemed to wake up suddenly from one such reverie, and something within had changed - since then, Babaji is no longer “out there”. His light is seen within constantly. I don’t need to ask him anything. Any doubt that comes up seems to melt in his grace, light, and most of all, love that I had never before known.
Love,
kami

nice :heart:

Hi,
Thank you for sharing your Babaji stories, Govinda. I am new to this forum and would like to share a couple Babaji experiences as well.
I used to go to meditation classes back in the late 80s. I used to achieve extremely deep states of trance in them. In one of them, I was in very deep. To my right, I saw a beautiful looking man standing next to me. He had brown skin, brown eyes, and long brown hair. He was wearing a white one shouldered sarong like outfit. He was speaking to me. He was telling me to tell people something. When he finished talking, I couldn’t remember what he said. I asked him to repeat it again. Instead, he laid what appeared to be a blanket in a multi-colored chevron pattern on my lap. Then, he vanished. I realized that I was seeing the room and everyone in it through my closed eyelids. I also could still see the blanket (which I could feel on my lap). I wondered how long it would stay there. After a few minutes it faded out with my enhanced vision. Not too many years later, I found a picture that looked exactly like the man in my meditation. It was of Babaji. You know, the one written of in “Autobiography of a Yogi”.
Around the same time frame, I was getting rebirthing sessions. In the middle of one session, I started to experience what is called tetany (paralysis due to energy trying to clear blocks in the body) in my legs and feet. I was having a difficult and painful time of trying to get the blocked energy to move. Then, when it seemed hopeless, I felt hands massaging the soles of my feet. I asked my rebirther if she was at my feet. I heard her voice coming from my side saying “no”. I opened my eyes and saw a beautiful and ethereal apparition. It was Hadiakan Baba. He was in his 18-year-old guise. He was wearing a shimmering yellow and orange one sleeve sari which reminded me of the colors of a goldfish. He also was translucent. I could see the rest of the room through him. He had a hand on each of my feet and was massaging the soles. He would move my feet and as he did that, my feet would move even though I was not able to move them myself. When he was finished, he took his hands off of my feet and bowed at them as if in deep prayer or meditation. The tetany then released and I could feel the energy flow out of my legs and feet. All the while this was happening, I was reporting this to my rebirther. He sat at my feet for several minutes then faded away. Thank you Babaji for your help when I needed it!
I had no conscious desire to meet him, yet I did. I guess I might have some connection to him since he showed up and I read that it can take quite a bit of effort on his part. I don’t consider myself to be anyone special even. I’m not even that great with my practice and can be quite undisciplined. But, now, I feel the urge to get back to a better way of spiritual practice as I think on these things. Thanks for letting me share.

Great stuff psiberangel! :pray:
So inspiring to hear of experiences like yours. Many thanks for sharing. :grin:

You’re welcome BillinL.A. :slight_smile: I’m glad I could share.

Greetings All,
After reading this post, I feel compelled to share with you all the magnanimity of Mahavatar Babaji.
He is more generous and compassionate than any parent can be to their children. With all the unadvisable activities that I compulsively indulge in, I do not consider myself a virtuous person by any stretch of imagination but my god knows that I try to follow the advised path.
Anyway, during my last stretch of regular meditation, I was asking for help from all corners when during a meditation session Baba showed me my previous life where he was mourning my young death and I was asking him why is he sad because he knows more than anyone else that death is just a change of garb. later it became clear to me that since that death, I had to wait hundreds of years atone for my Karma and he was sad for that.
As I write this, I can recall his compassion from the vision and my eyes are welling up hence I will conclude by saying that he is so compassionate and soft hearted that you will be amazed. He never ignores anyones request for help.
Now that I remember in this life too that he is my eternal Guru, all my fears and worries are gone.
Thank you a million times for starting this topic.
And even more thanks to Yogani for creating this encouraging environment.
On Namah bhagvate vasudevay !

Thanks so much for sharing this beautiful experience BudhdheePrakash. :pray:
I have wondered if Babaji isn’t the highest aspect of our own self - most compassionate, most loving, most wise… Not out there somewhere, but always here, the guru within… Which is why he is so easily accessed by anyone… Hard to speak or write of Babaji without getting choked up, isn’t it?
There is a very enjoyable and inspiring autobiography that features him quite a bit by Sri M - Apprenticed to a Himalayan Master…
Love. :heart: