Hi Angeleeyes,
The fact that we do not see a problem using the siddhis does not mean that it is a good idea to do it. It is just like a child who does not see a problem walking along a highway – it might seem ok, but it is not a good idea.
As Christi writes, using the siddhis could reinforce grandiose delusions about who we are if there is still any identification with this body-mind. The siddhis act as a shortcut in the fabric of karma that governs this world. Avoiding an effect creates a backlog – and someone will have to make up for it. If you are not clear about what is happening, it is better to let things go their way. It is like using a siddhi to stop rain when driving in a storm, just to find yourself in a dangerous driving situation soon afterwards.
As we continue to purify, our perceptions become clearer. What seemed like problems at a time start to have a different meaning. We start to appreciate the wisdom of “doing our dharma” as the best path for our actions. In many ways, this world is a play in which we are actors, and doing our best in the character is the best for the actors (us) and the play (the world).
As the Zen master Ryokan wrote,
When your heart is pure,
All the things in your world are pure.
Then the moon and the flowers will take you along the Way.
Hi Blanche,
Now this is really interesting. This world is just a play, nothing is real, nothing is serious, but if you do certain things you will be in a grave danger and what is that? you will reinforce your ego. The fact is we all do reinforce our ego in many ways everyday.
As we discuss this siddhis issue more it is become more clear to me that it is very much possible to achieve siddhis and use them as you wish. I have heard about yogis who are very powerful in many ways. They can create whatever they want. Maybe they are not “ENLIGHTENED” as you say, but they are gods themselves in many ways.
Angeleeyes, you are taking Blanche’s words and giving them a meaning she did not intend - the basic problem with language of course, and the reason why Yogani always advocates practice.
A play can be a very serious thing. What we do in this play has consequences. Which is just as well, because seeing the consequences of our actions helps us learn.
You have heard this from me before, so I will only briefly say it again: do your yoga practices and the rest will come, whether it’s siddhis, the transcendence of siddhis or “just” the understanding that what has to happen will happen.
Best wishes to you
[quote=“Blanche”]
As the Zen master Ryokan wrote,
When your heart is pure,
All the things in your world are pure.
Then the moon and the flowers will take you along the Way.
[/quote]Thank you, Blanche
Beautiful topic, once again. Thank you everyone. Just came to my mind what
Ramana wrote to her mother, who was begging him to come back home from Arunachala:
Whatever is destined not to happen will not happen, try as you may. Whatever is destined to happen will happen, do what you may to prevent it. This is certain. The best course, therefore, is to remain silent.
BlueRaincoat
Hi Angeleeyes,
The world is real, as real as it gets – it is just not what it seems to be. All actions have consequences – the more powerful the action, the more powerful the consequences.
Not everything we do reinforces our wrong view of the ego – e.g. meditation, selfless service do not reinforce our misperception of the ego. Ego as a structure that allows us to respond to our environment is a positive thing. We do need to adapt and respond to our environment. The problem is not the ego, but our misunderstanding when it comes to it. Living in a society we learn to see ourselves and the world in a certain way that distorts the truth. This subtle but fundamental misunderstanding is at the root of our suffering. What is the point of acquiring siddhis if we continue to suffer? You are probably familiar with the story of Milarepa, the most famous Tibetan poet. In his first part of his life, he trained to get siddhis and he performed a series of miracles. Then he went through a grueling painful period to move beyond the siddhis on a spiritual path.
It is said that gods live for eons a life of bliss. Everything is so wonderful in their realms that they have little reason to do anything but enjoy it. And then even the gods die, and they are born in the human realm for another chance to continue their spiritual journey.
You could surely understand that if you put your energy into acquiring siddhis it will be at the cost of your spiritual live. Find out who you are, and then worry about siddhis. Anyway, siddhis are in many ways like ancient technology – listening and viewing at a distance, levitation, being present in multiple locations, etc. In our days, we have modern technologies that accomplish the same things – we have phones, TV, planes, teleconference, etc. There is no need to use our energy and time to get these things. Let’s put our attention on our spiritual practice – we will change ourselves and the world in the process. Then we will not need to run after godly realms or magic powers - we will live in a heaven right here.
That is a depressing thought
Sey
We do have free will.
However, when driven by our samskaras our trajectory is determined largely by them, in the same way as a stone thrown from a sling will have a predictable trajectory. That’s one sense of “what has to happen…”. The past will determine the present.
When we abide in silence, we are free from the interference of samskaras. Then we will ask “what does this situation require?” and we will act according to the dharma. I see it as another kind of “what has to happen will happen”.