Hi, Kriyaban,this is deb from Delhi. Can you please guide me to the source for the 26 diaries of Shri Lahiri Mahasaya, where in the original teachings of Him can be found.
Congrats on receiving initiation. May I ask who did it? I read your post as to who you were looking at since posting that question but dont have an answer so far. Also there seems to be a lack of knowledge regarding the true authentic methods as taught by Yogiraj Lahiree Mahasaya. This is understandable since there are so many who say they know it and dont. LOL many there are that claim to know this and that but i have found from years of research it just isnt true. Everyone i have seen mentioned so far (still searching this site) is not of the authentic Lineage. Even those from SRF as their version was changed by Yogananda himself, the lineage stopped with Him. NONE of the names mentioned so far practice the authentic lineage techniques according to my research and my brother/sister disciples. No proper technique, No real results to speak of. this is the reason that many left and are practicing different methods.
i read Ennio’s stuff years ago and he also wasnt initiated into an authentic lineage and therefore his techniques are not accurate. we never do just 600 breaths and 50 mahamudras either as someone mentioned, those numbers are not accurate as were mentioned in another post. Yogiraj did allow different people to practice different amounts however but there is a mathmatical pattern to them. Since then though there is generally a standard amount from beginning practices until the higher stages. I am not trying to diss the people that practiced what they THOUGHT was the Kriyayogasadhana methods and most are given under the pretense that they are in fact the traditional methods but this is just not true.
So i am not sure who you did receive initiation from but wanted to clarify a few things. Not that i am some Guru but i have been initiated into an authentic lineage from my Guru in Kolkata and am trying to convey the truth that is known inside India and that has been twisted by others inside and outside India. We know who was authorized for the most part in the direct lineages. you do not find them all over the internet. heck in India most people that practice dont even have internet. i know as i was there. LOL besides that there is what is called power load sharing that happens at peak times during the day and night especially at dark and electricity goes out so it wouldnt be good to try to get people thru the net. Even ones that carry the Lahiree last name that are still living are not authorized to initiate and this fact is also known in India. the reason i bring this up is because some say in the tradition of Kriyayogasadhana it is ok to cut the frenulum, but it is NOT. Yogiraj was strictly against it. Does this mean that others that do that who do not practice our methods are wrong in what they are doing. I do not think so as we arent the only ones that practice it! If you stick with Kriyayoga then i wouldnt. Hope this helps.
Also, try not to speak about what you do in your Kriya unless your Guru said it was ok. Most dont. Not bashing you here!!!
As for what Yogiraj Lahiree Mahasaya said, you should take that as gospel if practicing Kriyayogasadhana. Dont be in a hurry and resort to other methods. Keep practicing Talabya if you do. You should be practicing it but i know that alot of people arent. many dont practice other Kriyas from the original tradition either as they arent known or arent done correctly.
Again. Listen to what Yogiraj Lahiree Mahasaya said if you want to practice authentic Kriya. He said all others are false. Do the way He said it and you will have His blessings. This is of utmost importance. I am not saying all others are false mind you. HE DID. Most people dont get it outside our tradition or inside for that matter, as they only know what Yogananda wrote about Lahiree which many things were either incorrect or modified. I am not saying its completely his fault but it is fact. Lahiree Mahasaya was a lot more than a “Christ Like Yogi”. If it were me, i would follow His advice, if you want to learn more then you may email me and i will give you information as to where you can find His own thoughts and experiences as contained in His 26 diaries. Good luck.
I have read some nice replies about the cutting of frenum question.
I have a question - Anybody attain Khechari Mudra who was actually born tongue-tied? Anybody here who had a very thick and short frenum who attained Khechari with out cutting?
Most people have an average size frenum meaning it’s a thin membrane, where 6 months maybe 2 years of Talabya Kriya practice would stretch and make enough microcuts on the frenum that it can reach further back.
But I want to hear from someone who had a thick short frenum?
And to CarsonZi, depending on how much of the frenum the doctors cut, it may not be easier for your daughter to do Khechari. Most doctors when performing a frenectomy on a tongue-tied baby will only snip enough of the frenum allowing the tongue to extend enough that it can reach outside of the lips. That is pretty much their goal, for the tongue to reach outside the lips.
The rest of the frenum if they leave it, will still be very short and very thick, not allowing the tip of the tongue to roll back to reach the soft palate nor to even reach the top of the roof with the mouth open.
In the late 1800s and early 1900s, advising a bunch of people to cut their tongue would have been disastrous. Think of the lack of medicine back then. Penicillin wasn’t even discovered until 1928. Advising a bunch of people to cut their frenulum who didn’t even have an understanding of sanitation, antibiotics, or access to medical facilities (as we know it today) would have resulted in countless horror stories of infection and self mutilation. Of course anyone with half a brain would have advised against it.
However, the Hatha Yoga Pradipika and other tantric texts describe cutting the frenulum. The advice given there is to make a tiny cut, not even the breadth of a hair, once a week for 6 months and to rinse daily with clean water, salt and a herb I don’t remember. This advice is given along with other exercises to help achieve Kechari. They say there that the practices and milking takes many months, (maybe longer). This advice was for serious renunciates living high up in the mountains somewhere probably, not your average person.
You can find plenty of stories on the net of frenulum cutting. Most aren’t about Kechari. Lots of kids like tongue piercings and many tattoo shops do it for about 10% of the cost a dentist charges. But be aware, from what I have read, the cutting alone doesn’t grant you a long tongue, just adds a few Millimeters. So from stories I have read on the internet from people who have had a lingual frenectomy for the purposes of Kechari, they still had a long ways to go after the procedure. I would at least consult a doctor or dentist familiar with the procedure.
Yes. As mentioned above, Jono, it takes desire, discipline, and intuition. It took me a quarter year of 5-minute tongue extension exercises (extending tongue outwardly, the tip pointing up, out, and down) and then guiding the tongue backwards toward the soft palette with my index finger. These daily 5 minutes of exercise usually happened after rest in sitting practice, when my body was relaxed and open, but sometimes at random idle moments of the day. How long it would take to succeed varies individually. Good luck!
Yes definitely. Kechari is part of an overall development. Even if you were born with a tongue that can reach all the way into your nostrils, or stay inside the top of your nasal area - that in itself may not give you much.
It is how you apply that, the awareness you bring to it. The stretching and amount of time it takes is itself a journey which helps you to prepare, to understand, and to release restrictions in your face, jaw, and as a revelation you can understand that you have the ability to reshape your muscular structure and tendons, and over time do what you did not think you could a year or two before.
The nectars that Kechari brings us in touch with our half physical / half beyond physical. In that way they are not different than our sexual essence which we all are already aware of. So the journey of Kechari teaches us this relationship, and what the nature of nectar is. With that we can meditate, cultivate, and connect. Kechari helps to make that connection stronger, but without knowing what you are connecting to, it is of limit use.
It is really an amazingly beautiful connection, and seems an almost instinctual part of kriya. But not only can you achieve Kechari without snipping, you also do not need to start with it. The formless and happy nectars inside the heart expand into the head as they grow. The whole body makes a connection from your root, from you heart, in you head - and this wholeness develops a force that works with your tongue.
Why would you want to skip out on this journey by cutting part of your tongue. Doing so, except possibly for those born with some kind of malformation, does not shorten the path in the long run - but can lengthen it. Do not be in a rush in this way, and there is so many ways we can apply ourselves into our inner space, which as it matures, then gives us that calling to achieve kechari for the right reasons, and not because of some promise that was read in a book.
Then don?t cut . I did and achieved kechari rather quickly. If it was a result of cutting I?m not sure . Lahiri gave his technique with eroded the ferenulum as it grinded over the front bottom teeth .