Guarding the Heart

[Katrine (Katrine Kristiansen)]

Hi Meg
You wrote:

Our internal experiences are remarkably similar, which is remarkably interesting, so why not remark on it? I’ve done more absurd things than that. Better than a forum on, oh, baseball.

Definitely, Meg. (I am still laughing…)
You are a remarkable woman
I find Jims “scriblings in a notebook” remarkable too!
May all your Nows be Here

[Jim_and_His_Karma]

@meg

It’s probably absurd to think or talk about much of anything to do with our practices, but we do anyway, and we all just agree that it’s an approximation of what’s going on within us. Our internal experiences are remarkably similar, which is remarkably interesting, so why not remark on it? I’ve done more absurd things than that. Better than a forum on, oh, baseball.

Not sure you got where I was coming from (my own fault, am typing fast). The self lives in a spot a couple of fingers lengths to the right of the heart. But the self is everything everwhere. It’s a contradiction. Everything you can think or say about the heart is utter contradiction. Anything thought or said about heart that’s not utter contradiction isn’t about heart, it’s about mind about heart.

[Jim_and_His_Karma]

Katrine, if we all tried to be only wise here, we’d 1. fail and 2. be here out of an ego goal to impress each other with our wisdom (rather than to exchange notes), which would be a drag. I do my damndest to let all my foolishness hang out.
The Elvis stuff…don’t even remember. Just some silly this or that that’s cropped up a few times. Nothing all that juicy.

[Etherfish (Omar Bose)]

Jim Wrote:
“The self lives in a spot a couple of fingers lengths to the right of the heart. But the self is everything everwhere. It’s a contradiction. Everything you can think or say about the heart is utter contradiction.”
OK, now you have me interested. What is a couple finger lengths to the right of the heart? Or is that an arbitrary spot to make a point?

[Jim_and_His_Karma]

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[Katrine (Katrine Kristiansen)]

Jim wrote:

It’s equally absurd, though, to say or think ANYTHING about the heart. There is no logic or truth in the heart. It is a realm of sublime paradox and contradiction. If you try to approach it with your mind, you will have done nothing but travel within your mind (and the single greatest trap of the spiritual path is for the entire practice to take place, unbeknownst to you, within the frame of mind. The mind will happily provide you with a very entertaining trip, make you feel enlightened, everything! Attempting to intellectualize about the heart is an on ramp for this detour. Danger!)

To make it even simpler:
It is when I operate from being an individual entity that I am feeling that I come from mye heart, belly or whatever. While in reality, there is nobody there to have a heart. Simply said: The heart is all of existence. All that I see is the heart of the universe. All your words can also be said about existence itself. All is one…so why bother intellectualizing. And this explains why I cried. I always do that in the presence of Being. The article simply propelled me into the depth of now.
I love exchanging notes with you, Jim
May all your Nows be Here

[Jim_and_His_Karma]

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To make it even simpler:
It is when I operate from being an individual entity that I am feeling that I come from mye heart, belly or whatever. While in reality, there is nobody there to have a heart. Simply said: The heart is all of existence. All that I see is the heart of the universe. All your words can also be said about existence itself. All is one…so why bother intellectualizing. And this explains why I cried. I always do that in the presence of Being. The article simply propelled me into the depth of now.

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And to make it even MORE simpler:
Om…