Just out of curiosity who in this forum takes the flu shot? And what are your thoughts on it? Guy
I personally see major advantages to it and see no disadvantages at all.
Being holed up for several days while my body does battle with a virus it could have wiped out very quickly if it had preparation, is not high in my list of priorities for spending my time! 
Hi David, Thanks for the input. By the way isn’t obsidian a vapor. Just thought i’d ask. Guy
Hi Guy,
Obsidian is a very hard naturally occuring black volcanic stone. Chips of it have a surgically sharp edge. It was used as a cutting tool by some ancient societies, and also as a decorative stone for beads and the like.
-David
Hari Om
Hello ,
this is good health question… this year I DID NOT get a flu shot. Last year I chose a new theraphy by inhaling the flu medicine via power and though the nasal membranes…an offering by Novartis Labs.
I am sure it was just me, but I have not been that SICK (ever) ((( 
))) .
I will chose to take the flu head on vs. the experience I had. Again, I choose not to focus on the negitave, but if you said, Frank we will shoot you between the eyes <or> you can try this flu shot/or powder again, I gotta tell ya, I would be hard pressed to do the flu shot OR powder again ( ever - did I say ever!)…but i digress.
Frank In San Diego
Hi Frank:
I guess this means no, you would’t take the shot.I just had mine and was surprised the needle was in for less than 2 seconds.Glad I did.
We are one
Guy
>> Last year I chose a new theraphy by inhaling the flu medicine via power and though the nasal membranes…an offering by Novartis Labs.
This doesn’t sound like ‘the flu shot’ though, right?
yeah, frank, more details, please!
Frank said:
>> Last year I chose a new theraphy by inhaling the flu medicine via powder and though the nasal membranes…
Yeah Frank, this wasn’t at a party by any chance, was it? Are you sure all your memories of the event are clear? 
The inhaled flu vaccine has been available for years, though may be more difficult to find than the injected form. The injected flu vaccine is made from killed virus, and should not cause any reaction other than a sore arm… The inhaled flu vaccine is made from weakened virus and is only suggested for people up to 49.
If anyone has ever had the true influenza, you can be assured that taking the shot is a good thing, if you need it, and if others don’t need it more than you do.
In light, life and in love,
Kathy
Hari Om
Hello Jim/David/all
Yep , now that you mention it the flu medicine was given at Studio 54 
and I don’t remember how I got home!!! ((( 
))).
That said, its a new theraphy for sissy’s like me that avoid any needles at all costs (I don’t even sew buttons on my shiirts - just buy new ones!)
I will do some reseach on this, as I tried to find the product on the Novartis site and didn’t see it - perhaps a diferent Lab made it, I will look it it.
The beneifit ( if you can really find it) is that the medication ++ effects are suppose to be good for 2 flu seasons.
That said, I was sick for ~ 60days min, really sick in the beginning for 15 days. I could not talk, hear, all the other junk that goes with it.
So, you may say ’ how do ya know it was the medication?‘… I looked at cause and effect. OK one day, then 24 hrs latter sick.
I cannot say recommend “yes or no” on flu shots for any one else, but for me it was not enjoyable and will take my chances with the flu. If one says ’ you risk dying’ - my answer, ‘no worries, I did it a thousand times before, its not all its cracked up to be.’
Peace,
Frank In San Diego
I don’t get flu shots for two reasons: 1) As mentioned above sometimes flu shots give you the flu, but most of all: 2) I can get rid of any disease by fasting (water only) for a couple days. If it’s really bad it may take three days, but that’s very rare, usually because I started eating and caused a relapse. It doesn’t hurt any to fast longer; it’s just hard to do.
Etherfish, can you be more specific? What diseases have you cured, etc?
Etherfish said:
- As mentioned above sometimes flu shots give you the flu, but most of all
Keep in mind that the kinds of flu vaccine made from killed virus cannot give you the flu.
Hari Om
Good point - here’s the data I suggested the other day:
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/nasalspray.htm
Flu Vaccine (Live Attenuated Influenza Vaccine [LAIV])
I still am not sure what brand I used, but this is the medication.
Peace and Health,
Frank In San Diego
I was probably wrong about flu shots giving you the flu. I have known quite a few cases of people getting very sick after the flu shot when they were perfectly well before it. Maybe it’s not the flu they got, but they felt like they had the flu, and were very ill for several days. They swore off flu shots because they said it was just as bad as getting the flu.
The kind of things you can cure with a water fast is any cold, flu, strep, just about anything that strengthening the immune system will cure.
The only things I know that it definitely won’t help is consumptive
type diseases like consumptive tuberculosis, and I assume incurable stuff
like aids or cancer. I was just talking about the average stuff most people catch from each other. Animals in the wild naturally fast when they’re ill. That’s why they don’t need drugs. I don’t know if it works so quickly in everyone’s system. You might have to detoxify for it to work quickly.
Strengthening the immune system is the worst thing one can do for a genuine flu (much of what we call flu is just a cold). The flu does its damage - lethally, in some cases such as bird flu - by disastrously overactivating the immune system. That’s why most victims in the 1918 pandemic were young people with very healthy constitutions…same will be true with bird flu.
if you want to survive a flu pandemic, your best bet is, quite seriously, to have the most run down immune system imaginable. if you can manage to stay infected with other viruses, so much the better. If you’ll check this out with a doctor or scientist, they’ll confirm.
I’ll check that out, but initially it doesn’t seem to make sense. Young people don’t have a fully developed immune system. It takes time to build up immunities. It is easy for babies to die of common diseases for this reason. Why would fasting always cure things for me that other people are getting laid up for? i will start to come down with something everybody else is getting, fast, and it goes away. Is this fighting disease by weakening the immune system?
Jim,
I’m very interested in what you said there about the flu. Do you have any references?
This doesn’t sound impossible to me – there are many situations in which the body does a lot of damage to itself by over-reacting to a morbidity – people with a heart-attack or a damaged spinal cord are well-treated immediately with a powerful anti-inflammatory to stop the body’s own defenses doubling or tripling the damage done. But I had never heard of this in connection with the flu.
here’s one of myriad references. the relevant term is “cytokine storm”. In the deadliest sort of flu epidemic, young, healthy people are at most risk.
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-cytokine-storm.htm