I wasn’t trying to say that she is in alignment with AYP, but that what she is saying is in alignment with this topic. She teaches that sexual attraction is not to be avoided as a road to spirituality. It is to be seen as a gift from the person you are attracted to, and that energy may be used to develop orgasmic feelings in the entire body. She teaches witholding sexual energy to multiply it, and moving the energy from the sexual organs to the brain, similar to here.
etherdude what u r sayin is right no doubt, regarding teh ojas thingy transmutation and all on a lower level or wthvr but u r deviatin the topic man. i am like talkin about the state that might be consistin of total annihilation of that desire or teh attraction that comes down the road of spirituality … or is it that this seed jumping thingy stays on forever? thats why i bought in the saints
cheers.
I wasn’t trying to say that she is in alignment with AYP, but that what she is saying is in alignment with this topic. She teaches that sexual attraction is not to be avoided as a road to spirituality. It is to be seen as a gift from the person you are attracted to, and that energy may be used to develop orgasmic feelings in the entire body. She teaches witholding sexual energy to multiply it, and moving the energy from the sexual organs to the brain, similar to here.
No, disagreeing with the premise is still on topic! I am saying it is not necessary to annihilate sexual desire to be on a spiritual path.
There are a lot of Catholic priests who would disagree with this also. And many of them manifest the effects of trying to annihilate sexual desire. It is beneficial to withhold sexual energy, but annihilating desire is asking for trouble. There may be states where sexual energy is transmuted to something the average person would not call sexual, but nothing has been annihilated.
And to reach that state you would not concentrate on attraction, or non-attraction to another person.
all i am askin is that whter this sexual desire is there in teh high end saints liek teh ones i mentioned above or not. pls read my posts again bro.
everyone is gettin ur point that alongthe spritual path, teh supression of teh desire is not necessary and leads to problems but transcending it is the way. but that is not what i started this topic for.
fcry64,
What if the question is not really relevant the way it is put? Since you realize you are not a person, the person is fake… then who is there to have the desire? The common way we perceive sexual desire is from an individual point of view, no? “I’m horny”, basically, and the physical sexual response is in “my body”. What happens when “my” disappears from this, as is the case with great yogis and saints who have realized Oneness. Isn’t there just “horniness” and “physical response” left? And who’s having them? 
What comes to me is
Before enlightenment: chop wood, carry water.
After enligthenment: chop wood, carry water.
It’s just not YOU doing the work anylonger. The perspective has shifted. There is chopping wood taking place in the Consciousness’ Play of Life.
I guess it’s the same with physical sexual responses… they will continue since it’s in our animal bodies to create such, but it’s no longer “My desire” that is urged to be acted upon in any way. “I” will no longer be identified with the body in the same way. The perspective has shifted.
Just my two cents…
and a quote from Rumi comes to me:
“All that is profane becomes sacred again.”
Very well put EMC.
I think there has been a lot of effort for many years by religions and societies to make sex bad and dirty. And so people would look up at anybody on a pedestal who claims to have cleansed themselves of it.
But this was all very ignorant because our whole connection with this world is through our body. Life force is extremely important here, and it is intimately connected with the body. And life force tries to multiply itself by nature.
So I think EMC is right; horniness is. If anything, a self realizing person (or saint as Yogananda calls them) would have greater freedom in his available choices, not fewer by completely cutting out certain options that the rest of us have.
Why does a saint have more choices? Because he has freed himself from attachments. So he could have the strongest impulse that anyone could have to have sex, and he would have the freedom to not act on it because he has complete control of himself.
This control not having been gained by annihilating sexual desire. But by dealing with it directly and learning to move that energy to other parts of his body for years, and knowing that he can gain greater pleasures than sex (read about spinal breathing pranayama,
that is what it is about). It is still sexual energy; nothing has changed, but when it causes orgasmic feelings in other parts of the body people don’t call it sex; they call it prana or life force, or chi. So if you saw a very sexy woman and felt an orgasmic feeling in your arm, would you say your seed had jumped? I usually feel it in my chest in response to a woman.
And then the next step is what EMC says, not identifying with the body that has those sensations.
But again, nothing is annihilated; only the perception changes.
Hi emc, Ether & All,
First - Bravo, to both of you!!
Very nicely expressed!
And yes: sex indeed has been demonized … because the original teachings on sexuality and yoga were misinterpreted.
All the original Tantric teachings amounted to, were: just as food, drink, sensual pleasure, breathing, mind and sexuality can be used to keep consciousness anchored in the dream … each/all of these things can be supports for awakening, and expanding beyond limited misperceptions (i.e. they each can be a hindrance, or a support - depending upon how they’re perceived and used … and at essence, nothing natural is inherently bad, wrong or limiting … it is only the distorted/limited perceptions and concept which are distorting or limiting).
Somehow, this got twisted into sex and the body being “bad” … and, as most of us have noticed … nothing could be further from the truth!
One of the most important realizations that any of us can ever have is:
The limited me doesn’t need to overcome anything … awareness overcomes by expanding beyond the limited me!
The inherent biological conditioning of the body-mind is natural; the conceptual conditioning of the mind-memory is artificial.
Just as enlightened bodies breathe, enlightened bodies have sex.
It’s just that the bodies have sex; the minds don’t … sex is physical, not mental (lust is mental, not physical; arousal is physical, not mental) … quite the revelation for most of us … and one that I thank Paramahamsa Nithyananda for eloquently and good-naturedly bringing to light, in this video:
Video: Paramahamsa Nithyananda- From Lust To Liberation.
Liberation is liberation from conceptual limitation.
Regarding sex, regarding everything.
Living, unbound is living unbound from the limited concept of the me.
Is “seed jumping” wrong?
Is “seed jumping” right?
Neither.
“Seed jumping” is “seed jumping”.
It’s something body-minds do; it’s a response … just as breathing harder when walking uphill, or sweating when exercising, is a response.
Natural responses have nothing to do with enlightenment.
Unnatural concepts prevent awareness of enlightenment.
Drop the conceptions … and enjoy the liberation of enjoying it all … in wholeness, in fullness … in the natural loving awareness that is the heart of it all; that is the heart of each/all of us, now.
Intending Awareness Loving; Intending Loving Awareness, for All,
Kirtanman
well put all of u. must say u have it in u guys… great
i only thought that even the ‘limited me’ in these sages would not fall to these seed jumps. cause i thought hey the limited me goes away, or atleast the sexual arousal part of teh limited me, maybe the playful limited me reamins in those really advanced people.
well… sexual arousal on seeing a beautiful women to be exact.
Ah, I see you assume the sexual arousal and the seed jumps IS a part of the limited me. What if it isn’t? That’s what we’re trying to point you to!
As I see it you basically think right! I don’t think the playful limited me remains! The ‘limited me’ in the sages is vanished as you first assumed, so they do NOT fall to these seed jumps! You are right! Yet the seed jumps exist as a natural bodily response - bodies can’t help it, they’re created that way. So then, the sexual arousal part and the seed jumping CAN NOT be a part of the limited me, can it? As Kirtanman said: lust is mental, not physical; arousal is physical, not mental. The little me is mental. Barry Long always talks about this “lusting after a woman”. It’s the lusting that belongs to the little me, not the physical response.
Perhaps the real question is:
If the seed jumps, do you jump with it?
i thought they can transcend divine consciousness to the bodily level … and hence they bodies too won’t have seed jumps … thats what i think though …
like one persons body has more seed jumps , the other person’s body has very less jumps … but teh saints body, wich is said to have undergone changes due to teh ayp, does it still succumb to seed jumps ?
Wonderful questions!
Yes, I see what you mean. “The mind is the body - the body is the mind”, right? So bodies should then be a reflection of the state of the mind. Hm. Yes, in a sense that is true. For example, I have found that a man’s penis is hard when the erection comes from egoic sexuality. When going into presence, the penis slacks a bit and is softly erected… still erected, though - must be meant to be making love!
Perhaps saints are those persons that before were so different in seed jumping levels, and that that difference continues to exist after sainthood??? Some saints have their seed jump more than others, and some might never have the seed jump?
Speaking from own experience, I have always been a highly sexual person, but the further I go on this journey, I get less and less aroused in the old sexual way. The usual “triggers” don’t work anylonger! Hardly ever any sexual thoughts, no fantasies… they just don’t come as they used to.
emc, that sounds like it could be scary. I mean, i don’t want to lose my sexually aroused feelings when i get a little older. Sex, food - bring it on!!
I guess an interesting question would be why looking at a pretty face can stimulate lust rather than admiration. That’s slightly wrong tho i suppose, since for me it is the complete package, body and face, hair, toes etc. I’m going to have a jolly good time when i get old and look like a shrivelled prune hehehe. Then all my fantasies will come crashing down and land in a big pile of steamy donkey mess. I guess in the end, love endures while physical attraction perishes along with the cadaver. If i wake up in an astral world i will keep my looks though. Not quite Robert Downey Jnr but close. Brad Pitt will have to be placed in second position. 
hey… nice reply, appreciate ur honest attitude…
but i dint wanna intend body= mind and vice versa. all i meant in teh last post was since teh body undergoes many changes due to teh spiritual practises, do that changes count or not, in eliminating the ‘body helplessness to get the seed jump’ as or so someone put it. to complemnet it, i gave teh example of a person havin a large no. of seed jumps and another havin less… hence i proposed a saints body, having undergone changes spiritually, will still be a prey to seed jumps
or not.
Seeds jump.
or grow into a plant bearin fruits if nurtured n mothered 
Moderator note: Topic moved for better placement
Hi All:
I have moved this interesting topic from Gurus to Tantra, so it will be easier to find in the future.
Also, I have taken my first response here, added additional details, and included it as a Q&A in the online tantra lessons (#T67): http://www.aypsite.org/T67.html
All the best!
The guru is in you.