Hi Sadhak,
I would suggest it is because you over-shot by 15 minutes and that you dug up a little too much latent emotional energy. Try cutting back to the suggested 10 minutes (or less) of pranayama and the 20 minutes (or less) of meditation and see how you feel.
Once you are over, as your symptoms indicate that you are, sometimes it requires you to do even less than the 10 minutes of pranayama and the 20 minutes of meditation that Yogani recommends in order to get the amount you are releasing back in line with your tolerance and inner silence. Once you find balance in your daily activity (how you feel during the day with all your regular interactions and activities) then you can increase back up to the recommended levels.
Hope this helps,
A
No. You’re still conceptualizing. No matter how far you pull back the camera, there’s still you holding a camera. What’s your concept of tooth brushing? You probably don’t have one. You just do it.
Hi Sadhak,
Anthem has given good solutions to your question. You can also check here for some good self pacing tips.
http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1104
Check lesson#58 http://www.aypsite.org/58.html
This is what Yogani says…
I like posting here because it gives me yet another opportunity of inner growth. I am responsible for my own checks and balances. I can gauge many of ego’s thousands of fingers in my pudding by seeing what and how I post. It is a good tool of reflection. It’s also great to check some of my energy experiences with Yogani and all of you who are on parallel paths to mine. It is good to be able to share with fellow travelers
LOL!
“In my opinion”
BTW, “LOL” is “laughing out loud”
BTW, “BTW” is “by the way”, FWIW
“FWIW”, BTW, is “for whatever it’s worth”
Hi Anthem,
yes thanks… I get you. Only it takes some lot of adjustment… I dropped from one and a half hours to 20 minutes, and that seems too much! The difference between one kind and the other kind I guess, though the elements seem so similar. I’m not very observant about myself or my surroundings; and that makes it a little difficult to diagnose the malaise and prescribe the solution. But this is what I wanted… freedom to decide, and this is what I got. So let me start learning to observe. The ‘feel’ person versus the ‘think’ person. Think that’s what someone meant in the link that Shanti posted, when they said one needed to hug trees and the other did not.
My problem is that sometimes I feel like I’m the ‘need to hug trees’ kind of person, and other times the other way round. And then it all gets too tiresome to think so much, so you drop it all and drag around effects of things till they wear off however.
After all, event the prescription of ‘don’t think, just do’, also requires some thinking to back the doing, unless you want to bash on regardless, and get bashed regardless as well.
Thanks Shanti,
You seem to know every nook and corner of the forum, and every lesson and number as well. What do you do the whole night - not sleep a wink and haunt the site? You just pull out references out of the hat… which brings me to , I need to go over the lessons all… and then over again a few times. Merci encore.
BTW Jim, you bring me down thud.
The feeling of the shot was a relief response to your:
And hey, I’m not holding the camera … I’m the subject feeling the breeze and all, but not there in the shot.
Never mind, the long and short is, you say, ‘brush your teeth.’ And I say, ‘Aye Sir, till the enamel wears off, and the teeth drop dead.’
(Now don’t tell me to self pace to save the enamel and teeth. lol)
Yeah, I woulda said that about the enamel…you got me 100% right!
Sigh…re “bringing down”, that seems to be the perception of a bunch of people on this forum…that I’m sort of a guy holding a butterfly net trying to ground their flights. It’s not a reputation I treasure, but as I’ve surfed yoga discussions both offline and online, I notice there’s vastly more yoga “style” discussion (huggy and affirmative) than actual yoga discussion (devoted to clarity…and vigilance re: the incursion and cooption of mind). Consider me a character actor doing his eccentric part to try ardently to leave breadcrumbs as he slooowly comes to understand stuff. Since yoga doesn’t actually involve “doing” things (aside from literally doing the practices) or moving places or advancing, those breadcrumbs almost always involve the necessity of stripping away (mis)conceptions, Yoganji’s engineered an oh-so-simple pathway by which we clean lots and lots of mud from our windshields. As we add complexity by conceptualizing, analyzing, and elevating corollary “experiences”, we are adding more mud! (and that’s the ultimate bring-down!)
This forum, like any discussion of yoga, is intrinsically about adding complexity. So I’m trying to turn it topsy turvy by using the forum to help remind all of us (including me…I’m the very worst at all this, but I’m somewhat reformed these days) that yoga is subtractive, that this isn’t a new skill to pick up, that we’re already “there” but AYP is helping us to stop fighting and recoiling against the there-ness (that, essentially, what we are doing is no more awesome than brushing our teeth so we get just very slightly less oblivious and insane).
And that nicely returns us to the topic of this thread!
For what it is worth… it has helped me a LOT… so Thank You and don’t stop.
A big huggy to you, Jim. What would AYP be without you?
Come now Meg… I can see Jim brushing off that hug…
But if you are accepting Hugs Jim… Here is a big one from me((()))
This is hell.
Jim, if you think this is hell, wait till you die:
Obsidian said:
If we see each other in hell and spend fifty years on an assembly line stamping out red-hot brass IMO’s for every one we missed in this life…
I can’t stop laughing… that’s why some of the letters look wriggly. This is such deja vu… and one I wouldn’t miss just now. A bit like the one and half hours in a car pool to Yoga session, and the kind of conversations that would ensue. Only a lot more focussed here. And with several butterfly catchers in place other than Jim. We had fly swatters in that group.
Wha… David? That went right over… and still made me smile. The fool in me reigns.
Shanti… you seem to be the person to catch just now… you were talking of group meditation. I have understood that practitioners vibrate at many different level-ranges. During a group meditation there is exchange of auras, which is what contributes to common experiences, or heightened awareness, or a different level of meditation. BUT, also that if people of different vibration ranges should not meditate together, or the new ones tend to have an adverse affect on the ones who’ve been meditating since long. Is this your experience as well, and does Yogani say anything about this? In fact, there were several groups made based on their ‘prana’ level which was detected by the more perceiving and sensitive older students. Does this apply to the AYP method too? (since yogic principles are universal) And what about when children want to learn (I have a bunch around here wanting to learn ‘yoga’)… any precautions? Dos? Don’ts?
Hi Sadhak,
This group meditation thing is new to me… I started this group only because I wanted more people to experience deep meditation. In about a year and half, AYP has changed my outlook towards life and spirituality and I think everyone has a right to experience this.
Yes, you can actually feel the energy in that room during meditation. All of these ladies were trying out meditation for the first time and the impact it had on them was tremendous. However they are all just at the beginning level… at least in this life time… so that maybe the reason I don’t find any problems. All of them go in very deep… I can tell because they take a long time to come out of it… also since I don’t meditate at this time… I can hear the fan and the kids and traffic noise… but later if I ask them if it bothered them… none of them remember hearing any of it… or maybe just hear in the beginning. I am really impressed at how well they are doing… and how dedicated they have been… one reason could be… they did not come with any expectations… like I did… I had a need to find God… for them it was something to try … and they got hooked to it.
I may not be the right person to answer your question… I personally have had no trouble… and when there were a few issues with the sensitive mediators… with Yogani’s advice we have done pretty well in overcoming them.
Here in lesson#37, Yogani talks about group meditations.
http://www.aypsite.org/37.html
In lessons#256 Yogani talks about Yoga and Kids…
http://www.aypsite.org/256.html
Here is the thread we had a discussion on group meditation… and Yogani’s views on group meditation…
http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1067
It’s an all woman meditation group? You know, you ought to videotape the sessions. I’m betting, somewhere out on the internet, are fetishists for that sort of thing who’d pay good money to watch.
I like to watch!
Hari OM
Its not often I disagree, so before I do, this may be in jest…
yet, for the record if any one is keeping one let me know!
So here’s my rant:
I do not think, believe, see, experience, understand, been taught, live or even concieve thislevel of creation/consciousness is hell. Never was, never will be… hell, is in your mind - if this existence is hell [for any AYP folk], I hope it corrects itself soon!
This [creation] is an expression of HIS consciousness, no hell included.
Now, that said, there are 14 loka’s that are recognized from Svarga Loka - heaven, to Naraka Loka, hell. YET all are still relative field of life… once in Brahm Vidya these are just concepts, ideas, that fade away.
We all have the opportunity to visit, better word is earn, these levels of existence and consciousness. Again, in various conversations I have only met 1 person so far ( after asking for 40+ years) that remembers their last time around. An interesting conversation transpired (this is not John’s conversation).
I do not have permission to discuss his experience, yet my question to this sadhu was NOT who where you last time, but do you remember what happened to you ‘in between’ life’s? This was an interesting volley of emails back and forth and insights gained. Now, was it truthful? I have no reason to doubt this gentleman as he was hesitent to even discuss, and stayed on general terms till I probed ( gingerly) for some additional info…
I do know and experince this every day:
‘The world is, as you are’ - maharishi mehesh yogi
agnir satyam rtam brhat Frank in San-Diego