As this is the self inquiry forum then we should ask who experiences love 
Self inquiry seems to be an early form of logical reasoning. Trying to find the truth of something and separate it from the subjective. Unfortunately it has a tendency to wander into nihilism if -as Yogani describes it-stillness isnāt present. Stillness being the point from which thought can be monitored, which Yogani calls the witness.
So, if you theorise enlightenment is love, or that you just know because you feel love then it is simply emotion and hence mysticism. This is what we are trying to avoid, so that we can clearly determine which is emotion/ false/snake and which is logic/true/rope.
If you are still diving in and out of emotional streams then this probably makes no sense. Iām not sure it would have made sense to me six months ago, so I empathise. The emotional streams are part of the work. It would be difficult to know how logic could provide the desire, just as the leaves on a tree cannot make the seed germinate. Yet this is self inquiry and this is the place for those who have attained a degree of objective stillness, so it must be the right place
We are all on our own way, everybody describes enlightenment in his or her own words, and the words used depends on culture, education, language. For as far I can see at this moment there is not one person who can reach enlightenment. Because enlightenment is impersonal. The feeling is love, you will feel love for every creature on Earth. But who is you?
Logic and knowing how it works with energy, form, the source is jnana yoga or Advaita, also there is not a person. Jnana is from the head, can be very empty and cold. The head reached all there is to know, but from who is the head and were is the heart?
Bhakti is from the heart, can be very emotional and loving, where is the head?
One day Bhakti and Jnana will merge.
And then we will know, our lives will be simple, we will smile and do not find this important anymoreā¦
Nice to share some words with you Karl.
I am sorry if I was reacting in the wrong section of the forumā¦ 
All there is- is Love. Love is not an emotion anymore but a knowing. All questions and answers dissolves in silence - no theories, no logic, no reasoning. Theories, logic and reasoning are the mindās job.
Yes, this 
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We are all on our own way, everybody describes enlightenment in his or her own words, and the words used depends on culture, education, language. For as far I can see at this moment there is not one person who can reach enlightenment. Because enlightenment is impersonal. The feeling is love, you will feel love for every creature on Earth. But who is you?
Logic and knowing how it works with energy, form, the source is jnana yoga or Advaita, also there is not a person. Jnana is from the head, can be very empty and cold. The head reached all there is to know, but from who is the head and were is the heart?
Bhakti is from the heart, can be very emotional and loving, where is the head?
One day Bhakti and Jnana will merge.
And then we will know, our lives will be simple, we will smile and do not find this important anymoreā¦
:grin: without the mind you could have no concept of love. Instead you would be instinct only like an animal. It is the higher brain that separates man and beast. It has to be exercised or it becomes dull and accepting. It allows emotion to be the driving force. Reason isn't cold, it is human kind at its best. Develop more reason, we have more than enough emotion. Emotion is responsible for wars, envy fear, guilt as well as love. Cultivating logic makes things eminently simple. It allows only positive creativity to be unleashed. It can see the rope from the snake, the wood from the trees. It is unhindered and unhampered and free to choose without regret or doubt.
Yes, this .
Well that's all very good, but it sounds like hocus pocus :slight_smile: Aren't you theorising and reasoning right this moment ? Arent you using words derived from intellectual capacity ? Aren't you processing the words in some way ? Or are you telling me I'm speaking to a mindless heart ? :grin: This is where mysticism gets you. You just 'feel' it's true. I say test, test, test :grin: yes, yes, yes. :smiling_imp:
It may sound āhocus pocusā to you but itās a reality for me. Iām only sharing the knowing that has been graced, itās not intellectual. I am using words because it is required in this instance. Itās not coming from the mind but from the same knowing that makes the planets revolve perfectly, our organs function to the very moment thatās happening.
Yes, you are speaking to a person 
. This body mind now recognizes itās this body mind and then more. I do use my mind when itās required- for my job, paying my bills and every instance the mind is ārequiredā. And, yes I have a personality as well- there is only less of āmeā. Iāve gone through a phase where I was more in the head. Living in the body is such a different experience , so much easier. The mind does come in, but itās recognized for what it is.
Yes, itās got me pretty good .
abra cadabra
Niiiice.
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Yes, itās got me pretty good .
Even more hocus pocus. :pray: You are now saying you can decide to switch your mind off and operate independent of it :slight_smile: sheesh, that would be worth seeing. I'd pay money for that spectacle. You are equating 'knowing' with physical aspects of the universe. The planets obey gravitation, mass, velocity and are material. The equivalent syllogism would be: Man is mortal Planets are mortal Therefore man is a planet. That you live in your body is no surprise. I don't think there are many who could disagree with that premise. Yet your mind is where every sense and emotion is processed. You are saying in effect, that you have no mind at all when you choose not to have one, but choice itself requires the mind. You also have to choose to re-engage your mind. So mind is present in both of your perceived states. By the way, I understand exactly where you are. :pray: I'm just giving you a gentle poke whilst you sleep and dream. I know it probably doesn't help too much, but I'm just minded to try a bit. I'm like a new Gardner who should probably leave well alone and let the blooms come when they will and the fruit ripen as it does. I have total confidence that this is what will happen, but I want to turn the fruit and encourage the buds in my own little way even if they don't really need it. I'm tending the garden with loving care :heart:
Iām not saying I can switch off the mind. It just has lost itās hold on me. The times it does- bringing awareness to it dissolves it. And, the times where I get totally caught up (which are not many)-Iām aware right after. You are right- I cannot prove anything, I can just be.
Nowadays, itās like everything happens through me.
Thank You for your good intentions.
It was nice interacting with you .
P.S.- Iām not claiming anything and only sharing where I am in this journey. Iām going through normal ups and downs in life but it doesnāt have a grasp on me anymore as of right now.
Itās difficult to gauge how āawakeā we are at any given moment. If one thinks or concludes: I am fully awake, or I am enlightened, of I have defeated the egoāthen we know that this is an illusion of attainment. However, if one observes: I am feeling serene and blissful, as if some graceful presence is with me, that is different. That is a confirmation of unity, which is what Sunyata seems to be relaying.
Also, in some sense, each man is indeed a planet. Each person is a microcosm of the entire universe: a hologram. This is not intellectual speculation on my part; it is from direct experience that I know this to be true. Miraculously, each part contains the whole.
Thanks Sunyata.
The very best part of this forum for me are the affirmations of human transformation like youāve just shared. [OM]
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Stillness in action,
Bodhi- The eloquent writing flowing through you is divine . Yogani in making
Charliedog
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What if you could though what if you could know beyond any doubt that you were fully awake ?
What happens if it isnāt necessary to defeat the ego. That it is found to be an inseparable and unique part of what you are and lives in avid cooperation ?
What happens if you can know for certain that no āattainmentā or goal is either necessary or possible. That development is simply growth, for however long the body exists in a healthy state ?
If one is āfeelingā serene and blissful then one is using a purely emotional approach to rational thinking. There is no error at all in feeling things and conceptualising those things which are genuine emotions. The difficulty comes when one begins to āfeelā what should be rationally interpreted and tested for truth. Emotion then becomes the judge and emotion really isnāt too good at that.
We are in unity at all times, the difficulty is becoming it knowingly. There is a lot to work through, a lot of growth required and the timescale is unique and variable. However, I believe everyone is capable of it within one lifetime.
Yes, everyone is a microcosm of the universe, we are the same stuff. Each contains a representative part of the whole, though not the whole itself. Yet what does that matter ? We are distinguished by being a container for consciousness with which to explore the universe, a mind to make sense of it and an emotion to appreciate it.
Your writings get better and better. A natural poet.
That has been called knowingness. It is best expressed, not so much as a proclamation, but as fluid action. Petting the dog, feeding the koi in the pond, moving the mouth and tongue to utter syllables into the telephone. Every vibration can be imbued with the silent knowingness, as we spiral into more perfection. I say āmoreā because we are already perfect in our Beingness and evolution. Such perfection does not exclude imperfection either. 
Iām in total agreement there. Just another layer of Self.
When it comes to emotion, I always like to cite Yoganiās brilliant statement: All emotion is the power of love. That pretty much knocks doubt out of the park. Even my hatred is a part of the equation. Might as well let it coalesce into a single-pointed, soft, non-focus on the non-goal of enlightenment. Heheheā¦
Thank you for dancing with me in this non-absolute, endless play of clarity and impressionistic crystallizations. 
Knowingness expresses any way it wishes. It is boundless, infinite, abundant. That it might be described as āloveā is simply a concept. It might just as well be called bran flakes, or coca cola. If we stopped allowing emotional energy to strike randomly, like fork lighting during hurricanes season, it can be harnessed. We remember the first time the lighting started, it was during puberty. It steadied somewhat, we were driven to find sexual partners by its insistence. Always it rings the bell through our lives, but we had listened to it for so long that it had become the dominant voice in our heads. It drove us to satisfy emotional needs in multiple ways.
Knowingness is the end of that. Not the end of emotional, creative, compassionate, loving energy, but a way to channel that energy productively. Itās like the wood that surrounds the sap that travels up the centre of a tree which contains the sap and forces it into branches, foliage and blossoms. Once it begins, it enjoys the creative usefulness to which it is put. It finds a home, and stops wandering, the mind becomes clear, placid, like a very deep lake which reflects everything perfectly. Things are seen as they are, action is pure because there are no emotional distortions in the perception. It isnāt a finality, itās a new beginning. It isnāt some magical, mystical thing, itās entirely as it should be, a wholly natural end to the emotional turmoil that began at puberty. A time of growing old gracefully, moving steadfastly onwards with perpetual growth and without the need to wrap oneself in the trappings of narcism.
Itās a product of mature age, but not a right of age. It has to be worked at. The earlier we begin, the more chance of success. We transcend puberty as we transcended early childhood. Thatās all there is to it.
Yes, an outpouring of divine love. The most natural thing.