Brahman/God, Mahavira and Gautama Buddha

Indifferent blob? As I was hoping to convey and obviously, lacked clarity in my worded expression, I believe that Brahman/God/Allah is “beyond” any anthropomorphic qualities and eludes rational quantification as an object to be singled out from everything else.
As an undifferentiated Field of Unified Being, it is neither positive nor negative, wholly unformed or wholly formed… it is the great All-in-All residing in all phases of differentiation, yet in it’s own pure frequency of perfection, it remains free from the limitations imposed by it’s masked appearance within the spectrum of duality. Therefore, it defies our human standards and I sense that it is unaware of itself as an object or a finite state. :pray:
Perhaps that is why Sri Swami Vivekananda stated that Brahman manifested itself as Ishvara, thus created the illusion of duality and the material universe of cause and effect, so as to observe itself through it’s own creation and cosmic handiwork? It’s an allegory but an intriguing one. I so admire the great Swami’s intelligence, I can humbly accept his anthropomorphism for it’s direct applicability, within his analogy of God possessing curiosity about itself and needing a mirror to gaze into or lens to look out through, by which to observe it’s own nature.
So, as the Supreme Being, Ishvara/God, it would seem an Omniscient and all-knowing force… but I suspect our individual lives/dream sequences are essentially, quite unreal within the Light of the Godhead. Through creation, light and sonic current, the God Presence emanates the matrix of the Grid. [OM]
Thus, spinning-out myriad frequencies of conscious-awareness, manifesting as: layers of levels an planes, interiors within interiors of alternate degrees of dimensionality. This exponentially blooms as the time-space-continuum, inert gases and matter, physical life forms abundantly created in resplendence, dreampt what a dreamscape, sequentially appearing and disappearing in it’s immense wake. It’s really more like an intricate spiritual blooming Yantra or Mandala, superimposed majestically in a perfect holographic overlaying patterning, than an amorphous “blob”. :wink:
I honestly do not know, myself, if Brahman/God is “aware” of being Divine. Does this not require knowledge of self and other? Tis a paradox indeed, for how can any individual speak for the whole?
I am seeking attunement to the quintessence of this miracle of existence, to merge consciously within this Divine Web and immanent Presence, composing all things. Lao Tzu was indeed wise to proclaim that,
“The Tao that can be spoken is not the eternal Tao.
The name that can be named is not the eternal name.
The nameless is the origin of Heaven and Earth.
The named is the mother of myriad things.
Thus, constantly without desire, one observes its essence.
Constantly with desire, one observes its manifestations.
These two emerge together but differ in name.
The unity is said to be the mystery…
Mystery of mysteries, the door to all wonders.”

Hi Govinda,
So if it an “undifferentiated Field of Unified Being” and you say “it is unaware of itself” and Kami says it doesn’t “care” about anyone or anything… Why would Buddha not simply call it “emptiness” instead of “God”?
I think this version of Chapter 4 of the Tao Te Ching also fits with the discussion.
The Dao is forever like an unfathomable empty space.
If used, it can never be used up.
It is the source of the Ten Thousand Things.
Look with your heart, see its form in the glare,
be at one with the dust of the Earth, simplify your nature.
For it is ever present, hidden in the depths of the myriad things.
I don’t know from whence it came, but it is great.
So in enlightenment, for you, is the ultimate “goal” to merge in this uncaring “undifferentiated Field of Unified Being”? To cease any differentiation in it?
Also, does a Buddha “care”?
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From Robert Adams, a fierce and beloved Advaita teacher:
Now let me give you a little secret: Brahman doesn’t give a damn about you at all!
Because to Brahman you don’t exist.
You exist to your ego.
Brahman doesn’t know anything about you.
Nothing at all.
It’s you that knows about yourself.
It’s what you appear to be right now that thinks it’s a somebody or a something.
And then you try to identify with something higher or become something higher and manipulate something higher.
This is where suffering comes in.
For as you try to do this your world falls apart.
You cannot manipulate Brahman.
You have to leave everything alone.
Leave everything alone.
:pray:

This ^^^ Thanks for sharing, kami! :pray:

I sincerely have experienced, already being one with the Unified Field. And I try to remain clear and conscious of this present moment, itself an eternity in the making. I also feel that differentiation seems to dissolve in such a deep, silent pause. I seek to make this a goalless goal, upon the pathless path, practicing the methodless method. Like Alan Watts used to cleverly say, “It’s like trying not to try.” Yet, it can be felt within the mind’s heart. :heart:
Only my ego strives to experience The Remembrance, to undergo the The Eclipsing and fully merge with the Sacred Oneness, thus undergoing direct immersion into that which I/you/we all were before our sentient births. I think we all share much of the same faith, deep resolve to bloom and hold an anticipation for the dawning of Divine Grace.
Which always strikes me as kinda puzzling, given the rational mind freely surrenders it’s own propensity for subjective observations. And yeah, it’s also largely because of the bliss-response of Spiritual Rapture and the sheer ecstasy of Union with Brahman/God/Allah. Always a euphoric stillness, deep quietude and vacuum of self-silencing… occurring right before Mego returns back into the Clear Light of the Void, like the proverbial, moth to the flame. [OM]
I do believe both Mahavira and Gautama Buddha “cared”, as they emphasized compassion and non-violence to all living things. Having arisen from the mesmerism of the illusion, they had empathy to the suffering of the human condition (despite it being whooly impermanent and utterly unreal). And yes, I see this as a reflection of the Godself existent within them, seamlessly united within the state of Nirvana (or in Yogic terms, Sahaja Samadhi).
And while I admittedly digress here, isn’t amazing that Mahavira, Sakyamuni, Lao Tzu, Confucius, Socrates, Plato and Aristotle… all incarnated in the same time period, 2500 years ago? Good times! :grin:
Namaste All

So a Buddha “cares” and Buddhism even has a vow to help sustain the principle. But, with Brahman, you have described as the “ultimate state” that one ceases into is an “uncaring, undifferentiated Field of Unified Being”. If one has ceased (or integrated) into Brahman, how would it be possible to care and why would one bother? Why do you think Buddha came up with the concept of the vow (to care)?

The more my heart opens the more I care and the more compassion I feel for myself and others.
If I am contracted and closed and suffering I don’t feel that caring so much.
So for me the more open I am, and apparently closer to God, the more caring and compassionate I feel.
That’s my experience

Nicely said, Sparkle, your warmth is most inspiring. My own :heart: feels very much the same way, too. I don’t know exactly where this discussion steered so far-off from the context of my initial post. Sure, I do grok that it seems a bit stark that the undifferentiated state of the Absolute is not aware, per se, of the relative woes of separate beings dreaming themselves real… but nothing about existence is an either-or scenario. Surrender and detachment walk hand-in-hand. :pray:
As kami wisely offers, some things simply are beyond human quantification and psychological anthropomorphism. And Brahman/God simply is what it is. Beyond the beyondest beyond. Yet here, present and immanent within this moment, now and forever. The Grand paradox.
We can but cultivate concentration and devotion… thereby directing our focused intent towards our interconnection and wholeheartedly embrace immersion. This leap of faith allows for the birth of that crystalline clarity of attention, by which we release our finite self and directly experience the Eclipsing of the human and the Divine. :pray:
Seems it’s turned into some kind of either or game? Our cherished preferences mean little to nothing in the Eye of Eternity. We needn’t, as individuals, make a choice or distinction between Brahman/God/Allah being transcendent of the fabric of duality (which includes joy and sorrow, energy and inertia, ignorance and enlightenment) in lieu of our human compassion for mankind’s seemingly endless rounds of births and deaths, repeatedly encountering the probability of intense suffering.
The compression of mortal ignorance holds onto the Jiva because of our remaining ego-identification, essentially veiling the internal witness from perceiving of the reality behind the appearances, the Infinite truth from the finite mirage. Ergo, the dream of separation fades when the living Presence of the Supreme Being is consciously merged within.
The sheer irony is that we are already That. Naught but the Sacred Flame brings light to the darkness of the unawakened witness. And nothing exists save the Divine, despite the Maya of differentiation. This Omniscience surely highlights the impermanence of the separate self. All is the Lila of Brahman.
But we play the role of the Seeker of Truth and practice our Sadhana in a way of attunement and service to our Divine ideal. From my windowsill, this create much compassion and surely, increases the love one expresses to the universe at large and its’ panorama of sentient entities and myriad forms and substances. We share the same vibe. [OM]
Any soul whihc experiences finite existence is compassionate for it’s own fellows and the many cohabitants on this planetary body. Higher shifts in conscious-awareness almost appear to self-generate a loving internal peace and a powerful desire to act harmoniously. So much more the intrinsic need for a God Principle, as we are all ONE without a second, symbiotic reflections of the totality. And so, when we take care of each other, we take care of our own self. For we are all Brahman/God/Allah and share our core within the Omniscient Field of Indivisibility. Hence the sheer bliss and the unity!
Om Shanti, Shanti, Shanti :pray: