The problem Karl with all your words is this ,a pupil of a great master goes to learn all he can about levitation from another great sage when he returns he shows his own master that he can walk across the river on the water his own master looks at him and says why have you been away so long learning this trick as all I had to do was pay the ferry man two pennies to cross .you words are the trick but the simplicity in crossing transcending is very simple and doesn’t take a book to tell or write .ah there’s my taxi thank you and may your heart open to love I have for you. 
Uncanny. I was writing a potential blog last night, and this is precisely the metaphor I used to describe how everything is already embedded in stillness, and that nothing is truly “created”…only uncovered and revealed.
Great minds think alike. 
Student and master I see no difference. Each has something the other does not.
I have said there is no trick. Reality is reality it’s as simple as that.
There you go, running off in that Taxi I just called you tchh. Ungrateful yogi. 
Fools seldom differ 
Part of learning basic logic is finding these alternative cliche exist.
Many hands make light work: too many cooks spoil the broth
being one of the many gems designed to remind logicians to keep their arguments free from such fallacies.
Did you get home OK ?
Home is where the heart is
In stead of the definition of love, there are many examples of love.
a Guru is a definition of love…an impersonal human being outpouring his found love,
so perhaps the inner guru is the love I feel, I know it can grow…
Answers can be found in silence
Guru whispers them
In stead of the definition of love, there are many examples of love.
a Guru is a definition of love…an impersonal human being outpouring his found love,
so perhaps the inner guru is the love I feel, I know it can grow…
Answers can be found in silence
Guru whispers them
Impersonal human being is an oxymoron. You are again alluding to the love you feel which is perfectly valid. Love is an emotion experienced though human consciousness. It is related to the universe by being a creation of the universe, but is no more than that. We shouldn't let emotional feeling get tangled up in rational human exchange. One is not the other. We perform actions which bring us emotional pleasure and emotions are the drivers for these actions. People feel altruistic when the exchanges do not involve material reward, but they do have emotional reward-and when you think about it, that's exactly what a material reward represents anyway. The 'altruist' simply misses out the material exchange and goes straight to the emotional reward. It is rational selfishness. Meditation and SI allows us to disentangle the puzzle and see what's going on under our own hoods. We can then stop believing our own false narrative which gets in the way of getting on with life in an unfussy, untroubled, peaceful and smooth way. This is action in stillness to coin the yogic phrase. It may also be termed action less action, but this isn't a good phrase for it. I would venture to call it reaction less action, but only from the perspective that we don't gather any self reactionary suffering through the false employ of action through our egoistic self. There is a point which must be travelled through for self realisation to occur. It involves a destabilisation of all we hold as reality. It is difficult to separate the wheat and the chaff whilst the wheat is growing in the field. First cut all the wheat down, gather then winnow. This is the only practical way to obtain the valuable wheat. While the wheat is growing or in the process of harvesting, or gathering neither wheat nor chaff can clearly be seen. Only when the work is done and completed can the grains be counted. Everything prior to this is guesswork at best and completely false at worst. You can try intuition or feeling to guess the quantity, or apply clever analytical skills to try and obtain the answer ahead of time, but they will never tally exactly with the reality of the final counting. That's as plain as I can put it. You can imagine how much grain you will have, you can intuit the quantity, or use equations to conclude the final result, but it will not and cannot be known until it is known and the wheat is weighed in reality. All I'm doing here is to pointing out error. Nothing more. If you say you are flying then I will point out how your muscles work against gravity, or how gravity makes the body appear to fall, or air pressure keeps the wings of the aircraft aloft. I will tell you that it is not love or calculation that achieves the appearance of flight, it is physical reality. It is what it is and I am what I am. You can do this my using SI to constantly and consistently trace experience and experiencer back to the source, but it is a very crude tool. It is like a hurricane that flattens the field and scatters the wheat in all directions, leaving the poor farmer searching the field and hedgerows to recover each lost grain. I'm not in favour of it, despite knowing its power and effectiveness, it is, I believe, too brutal for western minds at least. All that being said, I love where you are and that we can converse like this, it is very special and exciting.
Hi Karl,
Keeping company with this world,
There are only flowing images on an impermanent river -
Silence has no center or boundaries -
Collapsed on a pinhead, the entire creation disappears -
The source is outpouring love and light.
You know Karl, this really happened, the poor farmer searched and searched, found the path of yoga, found SI, found his Guru, and at last he found the inner Guru.
And now the farmer sees reality as it is, by his own experience, he knows he is
and also knows that he can not talk Thruth.
Thruth is the experience of, existence and knowledge here and now.
The farmer plants seeds of love now, wishing them to grow…
I call and feel That as LOVE , but there is no I, so Advaita talk, there is no love either.
Thanks for this interesting paradoxal talk together, talking is for the ego.
edit spelling.
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quote: [/quote] You know Karl, this really happened, the poor farmer searched and searched, found the path of yoga, found SI, found his Guru, and at last he found the inner Guru. And now the farmer sees reality as it is, by his own experience, he knows he is and also knows that he can not talk Thruth. Thruth is the experience of, existence and knowledge here and now. The farmer plants seeds of love now, wishing them to grow.... I call and feel That as LOVE :heart: , but there is no I, so Advaita talk, there is no love either. Thanks for this interesting paradoxal talk together, talking is for the ego. :sunglasses: :heart: edit spelling.There is most certainly an I and also the emotion of love is real enough. Talking is talking.
Nice.
We witness flowing images bounded by time. Impermanence applies to things making up the universe, but not the universe itself. Everything else is entropic within the universe. Yet the universe persists because it is time itself and not bounded by time.
Silence is the abscence of sound so by implication it has no geometric centre, but it may still have boundaries.
Collapsed on a pinhead is not disappearance but contraction or reduction-there is an exercise in logical argument that asked the question ‘how many angels can fit on the head of a pin’.
The source of what ? If you mean by creation totality/the universe, then there is no source. There are causes and effects within the totality of the universe. Endless ripples.
This is to say things exist separate to you. They are prior to consciousness. It suits SI and meditation to treat everything as if it was an outpouring of subjective consciousness. So that in deep dreamless sleep all existence is extinguished and then everything manifests again on gaining consciousness. This is a kind of reordering. A loosening of thought and perception. It is neti neti-not this, not this and therefore negation of our direct perception.
In the SRM book- be as you are ( SRM being the most hardy advocate of SI) he describes this step as necessary :
Q So the world is not really illusory ?
A at the level of the spiritual seeker you have got to say the world is an illusion . There is no other way.when a man forgets he is Brahman , who is real, permanent and omipresent, and deludes himself into thinking that he is the body in the universe which is filled with bodies that are transitory , and labours under the delusion, you have to remind him that the world is untreated and a delusion. Why? Because his vision which has forgotten its own self is dwelling in the external, material universe. It will not turn inwards into introspection unless you impress on him that all this external, material universe is unreal. When once he realises his own self he will know that there is nothing other than his own self and will come to look on the whole universe as Brahman. There is no universe without the self . As long as a man does not see the self which is the origin of all, but looks only at the external world as real and permanent, you have to tell him that all this external universe is an illusion.
Now this is not clear to a seeker. It is not meant to be. A blind man cannot see until his eyes are made whole. Yet the eyes are already whole, but refuse to see. One must be declared blind at the beginning so that sight may begin again, even if this is somewhat a lie, it is the direct experience of the seeker. The I must first be known from the false I.
What is the use of well of water when all the land that surrounds it are in flood
The well is fresh water, the floods are filthy run off tainted with dead animals, sewage and other nasties. Drink of the fresh water.
Did you get a taxi back here ?
I had already thought you may say that ,so here’s another ,a man is troubled by a demon so he obtains a special mantra and powder to get rid of this demon he chants over the powder but before he finishes the demon says I have already gotten into the powder before the mantra had started.
The man is ignorant. There are no demons and no special powder or mantra are necessary.
Your logic your words your explanations your play your leela are the demon the powder and the chants are your attachment to there use and your want to narrate these to others is your ego identifying with what you believe to be the self
Tough love Karl but love all the same
I am as I am. Why concern yourself with such things ?