Hmmm, now this is the first interesting thing I have seen on Kriya in years.
You know after reading what Ennio wrote concerning this Guru’s reaction concerning all Ennio has shared over the years…
I find myself agreeing with this sentiment and applauding Ennio for being so honest and putting this on his site. In fact I find myself liking this person who has been so kind to him, most Kriya teachers would not be so kind or respectful of a persons journey.
With this one statement his entire labor of techniques being shared and the books that have spawned on Amazon from his research have been invalidated as not ever having been Kriya but just modifications.
Here also is a relevant point Ennio and his labors were respected for what they were a persons journey shared with the world.
Wow this is some really powerful stuff and to top it all off Ennio is still producing a 2016 version of his book.
I think this tells us Ennio if nobody else in the whole Kriya mess is an honest Researcher & Historian of Kriya.
So this Guru from India is of the Pranabananda lineage.
This is a pretty secretive bunch as far as I can tell there has been very little ever heard about them other than a Gita that was published on line some years ago by the Guru of this Guru Ennio is talking about.
The techniques as explained and shared do make good sense in that the OM Mantra is repeated in the center of the 6th Chakra 6 times on the inhalation and 6 times on the exhalation.
The 6th Chakra being in command and connected to the lower 5 through the center.
Ok So far so good can get on board with this and unlike all the other versions of Kriya there is no deliberate visitation in each chakra nor just the root and the brow or Muladhara and Ajna respectively.
There is a certain elegance in simplicity here.
In this respect it reminds me of the purification techniques of Yogani, just a little bit, being more global than targeted.
It is almost like combining deep meditation using a mantra with spinal breathing except there is no going up and down the spinal nerve rather all is taking place in the command center of the 6th chakra and automatically purifying the spinal nerve and the chakras.
Very interesting… Of course in AYP we do not practice Deep Meditation focused on any Chakra nor any part of the body nor do we practice the OM Mantra by itself but as a Mantra Enhancement to IAM. Still there are similarities here.
I wonder if remaining in the sixth center with the OM Mantra in this way prevents overloads?
The only Fly in the ointment I see to this whole thing is Initiation is still being said to be necessary but no one is giving any information as to how one can get initiation and training.
I mean don’t get me wrong but in AYP we do not play these games saying here is the technique but it will not work unless you get initiated.
Not against initiation of course have had several but to just trot it out and not bother to follow up with details about how to get initiated, where to get initiated, whom is authorized to initiate it all just winds up falling flat on it’s face just like other sources on the web that sell multiple books about Kirya and will not or can not tell anyone whom to see to petition for initiation and personal one on one instruction.
It is nice to read all of this stuff but of what use is any of it if you have no idea how to satisfy the requirement of initiation?
From what I have gathered you would have to go to India and to be honest as an American there is no way I would even consider flying near or over all the troubled lands with all the terrorism going on in order to get to India.
Always loved Pranabananda, and the kriya explained from his student sounds pretty focused to go into samadhi through kutastha. There are similiarities to Yogeshwarananda’s kriya too, which according to him comes from Yukteshwar.
The best is to call it Pranabananda’s kriya. Sounds like he finetuned the kriya for faster samadh. As he should still be alive physically in a new body (as reported in the autobiography), it should be possible to ask him and get a direct answer ;).
To my feeling the kriya pranayama always flowed in the sushumna nadi, but may had an additonal continuous focus in the third eye as the most advanced instruction of it. Later some discarded the third eye focus or simplified the whole pranayama to third eye focus only. Independent of both variants, the mid-term flow of life is identical in the kriya lineages, at some point entering the center of the third eye :).
Peace and happy practice (=
Hi Holy seems to me like all the rest we have seen have strayed pretty far off the mark coming up with there own stuff and then calling it Kriya.
You and I have learned from allot of the same people and to be honest all they did was make me doubt they knew what they were even talking about.
In fact one of the biggest things all the rest have in common is varying degrees of complexity and misunderstanding like they are all trying to teach in the way their founder understood but the problem is their founder never understood to begin with.
To make matters worse they teach from there own ideas of how to teach better and this is how things get lost.
When I do not understand something in the AYP system Christi is always swift to point to the AYP Lesson or lessons that covers the topic and he avoids trying to make me understand the way he does.
In fact on the AYP Plus Site where we have far more interesting conversations I have done my best to get Christi to use his own words and he will if you push it, but I found that had I been less of a jerk and just read the lessons as he told me to the answers were right there.
That takes a special talent to be so not driven by ones own ego. Christi is driven by a higher calling to present the AYP teachings the way the AYP founder Yogani taught them and I respect that very much.
I think these people I have met and some of the big utube personalities are frauds and the honest ones never understood what they learned from the beginning and it probably goes back as far as Yukteswar.
Yes there are similarities.
Cats and Dogs have Similarities too, Legs, Ears, Tails.
But when a hound dog starts using the litter-box somehow I am still unconvinced he is a cat.
When the cat plays with a nut I do not mistake him for a squirrel eating.
I like this Sri Mukherjee’s message chances are he is the last, best chance for people to learn what was really taught.
Thanks for the Invite RSS but I am already set with my way of Spiritual Practice (Sadhana) were I not I would accept your invitation to learn more about this Sri Mukherjee’s initiation of this you can be certain.
Hi So-Hi,
researched a little about Pranabananda’s life and found out, that he practiced Lahiri’s kriya until fruition. Later from a married life-style he took sanyas into the Giri order. Sri Mukherjee met Pranabananda after his maha samadhi in a resurrected body. As most of the changes have something to do with the Giri order, it feels like Pranabananda may have unified techniques from both sources (Lahiri and Giri) to create this kriya.
Just to check if the kriya has any connection with the kriya gurus, practiced it as a late night bonus session. It is a very visual practice, lots of third eye dimensions open up. Was very much happy to see Lahiri’s face smiling continuously, after him also Babaji in the scene. Later Yukteswar also popped up, but Lahiri was dominating. It may also be related to the householder kriya practice, that is already going on and the sudden intense third eye focus made the guru’s more visible, like “yes here you can contact us much more intensly”. Only on the next day I could perceive the effects of the third eye only session, which were quite similiar to the days were Yogananda’s “continous third eye focus throughout the day” was practiced. Stillness increases very much, everything comes into tune with the third eye vibe. Due to the lack of pranic guidance through sushumna, all life energies were flowing by themselves from all directions to the third eye, making everything fuzzy and losing focus, while the third eye was dominating the scene. Felt very much unbalanced and zoomed out until householder kriya made it grounded again. Felt very much like a monastic kriya. It may balance itself out with daily practice, as breath and mantra is much more smooth than mantra alone, that is for sure. Still after the sushumna kriya the used to “oh yes” came back, all in all am happy with full chakra addressing. Still this kriya seems to be very potent and a very nice tool to intensly and successfuly open the third eye. The internal cinema was also very much pleasant throughout the session (=
Householder kriya with all chakras equally addressed feels most balanced to me. KYi kriya is the sweetest in regards to crown focused kriya life. This one is very nice, obviously in tune with the kriya masters and very nice for those who are attracted to fast third eye addressing. Also it feels like this kriya can more easily create the telepathic link to be guided by the kriya masters. But it is only a question of amount. With good amount nothing is missing in the other two. Every chakra requires a specific amount of energy to flower to its different degrees of functioning. If you address all, you need more kriyas to make them flower, but then all flower fully. With focused kriya, less time makes the target flower faster with according results. Everyone goes by his call.
You are right in regards to cats and dogs, to correct the statement: In some way all share some practices and others are modified in the one or other direction Obviously the kriya masters are skilled enough to boost all variants.
In this happy practice and enjoy
Where are you getting your information from?
I speak to Sri Mukherjee on a regular basis and this did not happen.
Also, it is my understanding that this kriya was not modified by Pranabananda or others in this lineage.
Hi RSS,
you are right, Indian names sound very similiar sometimes (= The man Pranabananda met with the resurrected body was Bhagwan Kishori Mohan Bandopadhyay according to this source: http://spiritualsoul.net/group/spiritualmasters/forum/topics/swami-pranabananda-giri. Mixed it with SHRI GYANENDRANATH MUKHOPADHYAY (Sri Mukherjee) as both have a similiar ending Sorry for this!!
Regarding modifications it is just our spinning the wheel with So-Hi over the years :). Ultimately we have given up the search for the original, just practice what is best working for us. Personally I love all of the kriyas, had good results with each of them. Continuous focus on the third eye and later crown has been especially seen in the Giri-lineages, not so in the householder ones as taught by Shibendu or Ashoke Kumar Chatterjee. Still yoni mudra goes into it. I think Ennio wrote about a group (Radhasoami) who focused only on kutastha and created a link to Yukteswar and Yogananda. One can read more on their practice beginning at page 189 under this link http://www.kriyayogainfo.net/files/English%20III.pdf .
Ennio now being in contact with Sri Mukherjee and you may bring more light into this.
Some excerpts from the first link:[quote]
Srimad Swami Pranabananda Giri Maharaj, a direct disciple of Yogiraj Sri Sri Shyamacharan Lahiri Mahashay, was a Yogi of the highest order. … During his life Swami Pranabananda displayed qualities of great spiritual ability, determination and sensitivity for the welfare of his disciples. After initiation into Kriya Yoga, his guru Yogiraj Sri Sri Shyamacharan Lahiri Mahashay sent him to the Malava Mountains for sadhana. There he made rapid progress and soon developed into a self-realized being. Subsequently after a period of married life and serving his father, Swamiji took sannyas from Swami Atmananda Giri of Kailash Math. … Swamiji was deeply concerned with the development of his disciples. Not only in Kriya, he took care to see that his disciples completed their karmic duties as well. … Swamiji did not make any of his own disciples his successor. Through his inner realizations, he had located that a great saint, Bhagwan Kishori Mohan Bandopadhyay, was residing incognito in Benaras. Even after his passing away, he resurrected himself before Shri Kishori Mohan and requested him to take over his seat, which the latter did with some initial reluctance. Thus the illustrious lineage passed on. …
[/quote]All peace friend and thanks for your links
Hello RSS.
I have practiced Swami Hariharananda’s Kriya before. In all of my dabbling with spiritual systems, I made good progress with this Kriya only. I gave it up later because not much was happening, and a lot of people who practiced Kriya for years appeared to lack ultimate insights about their own practice. I switched to AYP, and it has been going well. Now again, I have this craving for a more advanced system, something with which I can attain absolute stillness. The discovery of Sri Mukherjee’s lineage is fascinating.
Could you give me more information about initiation? I tried to pm you, but it gave an error saying I had too few posts to email other users.
Where are you getting your information from?
I speak to Sri Mukherjee on a regular basis and this did not happen.
Also, it is my understanding that this kriya was not modified by Pranabananda or others in this lineage.
I decided to try the practice of this Guru’s Original Kriya as it was given on Ennio’s website and can relate it is not like the practices of Paramahamsa Hariharananda.
It has more in common with what Shibendu Lahiri teaches as the high number of repetition alone produce a certain beneficial effect. The number needs to remain at 108 because lower numbers fail to reach certain states of awareness.
The high numbers have nothing to do with mildness or effectiveness of technique rather it allows for a certain something and many certain somethings of discovery moments to take place when you least expect them that otherwise do not with lower repetitions and what these are, are states of awareness so not so easy to communicate at all, nor do they need to be as being able to relate through words won’t work anyway.
This is not as trying or stressful to the nervous system nor does it tend to cause upheaval in the centers which later can be disturbing to the mind and ones emotional state but rather is more gentle and purifying in a more smooth and tranquil manner.
The after effect during the day is also more complete and well balanced one tends to remain centered / focused without effort in the 6th center yet fully present.
It is a curious thing you would think like it was with Shibendu’s practice one would be going through the Mala and getting around 80 or so repetitions and have expectations of oh am I near yet? or perhaps a feeling of strain, but in this method there is just a pleasant desire to continue with the next breath almost like there is a need being filled by doing so. Each breath is kind of like having swam under water holding ones breath and when one emerges that air sure is sweet.
So it is like this refreshing.
Hi So-Hi,
knew that you are into it too Thanks for your report! Also continued with the practice but always as a bonus session to the classic kriya. The initial imbalance of the very first session went away and the joy of kutastha started to come as flashes of aftereffects, sometimes holding for long times, sometimes for shorter. A centeredness in the kutastha-region happens automatically as an aftereffect, being one of the reasons for reoccuring joy-revelations, which all have the character of the third eye dimension.
Am not sure if it would be activated similiarly or as balanced as it happens with the technique alone and no other full spectrum addressing. With increasing breaths the concentration gets better and one goes deeper into the third eye. After some days the initial joy blasts did calm down a little, means the body-mind is adapting and obviously more breaths can be given to it
Crown addressing is still more refined in its aftereffect, more bliss beauty, or in other words, a higher resolution of pleasantness. The third eye is grosser and more in touch with relativity in a playful and very joyful way. More like enjoying the candy of creation, while the crown directs more to dissolution into formlessness.
Balanced full spectrum is most stable and grounded, less joy or bliss explosions, but more peace and love with strong life flow.
Thanks very much @RSS for your input, it would be interesting to read more from your experience and the observations of Mukherjee and others in that lineage.
Peace and happy practice
Decided to look at the Ennio Nimis site to see if his annual release of his book was out and was surprised to see not only is his new book out but there is an announcement about one of the Gurus of this thread traveling to Italy where Ennio is as well as the United States to teach people.
Ennio must really believe in this guy. In all the years he has been releasing his book I have never seen anything like this before. http://www.kriyayogainfo.net/Eng_Downloads1.html
Hi So-Hi,
on the same day have looked at Ennio’s site too (yes we are continuously connected when we post here :P), but couldn’t see a new release of the book.
“2016 edition of the book will be posted in january 2016”
Also can’t see any anouncements, where did you see them? Had somehow the inner whish to know more about that person who said, that he has finished all work and now enjoys his pension, in other words to know more about that student of Pranabananda who was also successfull in yoga. Then a look into the Pranab Gita and there you find a nice small bio http://yoganiketan.net/library/pranab-gita-volume-1.html
There is also a nice chapter at the end with Lahiri, Pranabananda and their meeting with Babaji.
But when it comes to the actual practice of kriya pranayama, in Lahiri’s letters you clearly get the hint about how it is:
“In regards to the practice of the kriya pranayam, Lahiri Mahasaya in letter number 79 (also see letter 78) from his Garland of Letters has given very specific guidance:
“Many do not practice mantra japa chakra by chakra. When this does not happen, it results in tamasic Kriya (Kriya with negative qualities), and the fruit of this is also “tamasic”. Therefore, during pranayam, one must keep attention on the six chakras in the spine and practice japa in each of them.” (Lahiri Mahasaya, Source: Yoganiketan.”" quoted from this source: http://siddhaya.blogspot.de/2007/10/important-online-references-for-kriya.html
Still, if people enjoy their eternal pension with Pranabananda’s kriya, nothing can be said. Again a kriya variant that works!
@ So-Hi, most probably Ennio is practicing this kriya with full intensity and really gets good results But couldn’t see what you are referring to in your post.
Happy practice friends
Hi Holy, probably added after your visit to the page
from So-Hi´s link http://www.kriyayogainfo.net/Eng_Downloads1.html
“We are very fortunate that Sri Mukherjee has agreed to come to the USA and Italy this spring for purpose of initiating and teaching the techniques of original kriya to dedicated students. This saves the many interested kriyabans from having to go to India for this rare opportunity to learn original kriya and be initiated into this lineage. It is tentatively scheduled that Sri Mukherjee will be in Melbourne, FL USA from April 1, 2016 to May 15, 2016, and then Udine Italy from May 16, 2016 to June 16, 2016.”
Holy,
Clear your Caches on your computer. Then refresh the page. I couldn’t see mine either at first, till I cleared the Caches. Your browser keeps pulling up the page in the Cache memory.
Regarding the Japa in each chakra, you do this at the second level when you are trying to penetrate the chakras “one by one”. At the first level you are trying to reach subtle breath and have the awareness inside the Sashumna. I never liked moving my awareness up the spine chanting om in each chakra. You could not stay on a chakra long enough to get anything done. And then there was too much of the mind dedicated to the mechanics of the technique (Am I at the right chakra location?, Am I going to get to the top with enough air). Reread what is on Ennio’s site and also what is on originalkriya.com.
I and others who are doing this feel the same way as Ennio, and most of us have been to all the other “gurus” that you have been to. This Kriya is very strong, but you have to focus on Kutastha. If you drift off it looses power. Luckily it is easier to stay focused due to all the om chanting into the Kutastha.
I really feel that this is the real deal. Each day of practicing this technique seems to bring more deepening. And this is even without the initiation or personal instruction of the technique.
Hi Orangesky,
thanks for the info Nice to read from you, hope all is fine!
Thanks also @RSS,
have practiced the technique for 1 week, had very good kutastha results, more so than with full spine kriya. But with full spine kriya have more full spectrum results and stability. Am honestly very much happy and content with any kriya. As Italy is not far away, saying hello to the Pranabananda lineage would be easily in reach too But can’t see myself focusing solely on the third eye for the next 2-3 years. Know how KYI kriya is, also had the taste of kutastha kriya, so where it goes to is also clear.
Would be interesting to hear from you about the epxression of divine qualities in your daily life. The highest quality and full spectrum output here has been always with full spine adressing, including physical happenings, emotional, mental, time-space relevant and independant, aka joy, bliss, peace and grace. The latter components magnify intensly with KYI and also did so with kutastha only, but both did decrease expression in lower chakras. Your observations in your body-mind and lifeflow and in others (practicing different styles) would be welcome to read friend.
All love and happy practice
Holy,
Didn’t you just get done quoting Lahiri two posts ago regarding Japa in the chakras and not doing so results in tamasic Kriya? With KYI there is no Japa at all until you get second Kriya, which is at least 3 years out. Even at that, they give it out in stages with a few years in between each stage.
I did KYI for quite a while and was not happy with it. I felt depressed or just out of it at times. Another teacher told me a long time ago that not doing Japa is like sweeping a room and not picking up the dirt. Also, there is the constant crown concentration right from the beginning that is frowned upon all over the place on this site.
One week is not enough time to make a determination about a system. I suggest you practice it much longer and put KYI on the shelf for this time period. Also, make sure you are fully concentrating at the point between your eyebrows and chanting om into the center of that point.
Also, spend some time going through Ennio’s writeup http://www.kriyayogainfo.net/files/Document%20about%20Sri%20Sri%20Lahiri%20Mahasaya’s%20original%20Kriya%20Yoga.pdf and the stuff on http://originalkriya.com .
One more thing; during his trip to USA and Italy, Sri Mukherjee plans to teach us everything that we will need to get to completion and not spoon feed us every 3 years. He told me that we will not understand most of what we need to do at this time, but when we reach the various levels of development we will know what to do. To me, this speaks volumes about the teacher.
Dear RSS,
thank you for your deep care
Have heard from some KYI practitioners about depressive phases, think So-Hi had also reported about them. At the same time also know quite a lot very nicely advanced and capable KYI yogis and yoginis, some of them roaming in cosmic states.
Am not practicing KYI kriya, except occasionally in groups when meeting Manga or her sister or to motivate my mother when we go to such group meetings But some additional crown paradise from time to time always is a nice remeberence of the crown beauties in smoothest nonduality.
Am into classic om-breath-all-chakras kriya since Shibendu. Although was endlessly happy with Gurunath’s kriya, where om and breath is seperated, wanted to give myself to the classic offering including higher kriyas. Am very happy with it, except Gurunath’s crown finisher was very nice, now we have more kutastha focus too
This body here is very responsive, one week is shurely not enough, but had a very good feel of cause and effect of Pranabananda’s kriya. Really loved its intense and smooth kutastha opening with very nice savikalpa samadhis, also of new kinds to this body-mind here. The offer is also very nice from Sri Mukherjee, if he really wants to teach all in one shot. God shall decide in this (=
If the current practice is not satisfying, learning something new is understandable. But if it is, what to say. Already was happy, finetuned with classic kriya and am again happy Our samadhi boy would say, that we have a luxury problem here, choosing between types of blisses, joys, ecstasies and life flows (= May all have this type of a problem.
Peace and happy practice friends
Obviously the kriya masters are skilled enough to boost all variants.
Sorry for this!! 